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Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!

A sobering analysis from Ivor cummings, particularly in light of the latest edicts from the UK govt.

Thanks for all the thoughtful replies to the Kendrick article I posted, you’ll have to forgive me if, as a rule I don’t reply in detail to most posts. This isn’t hubris on my part, it just takes me ages to type anything as my typing is abysmal :slight_smile:

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It’s useful to see what spike noted when he posted this same Ivor Cummings link at TLN. Reproduced just below. Well said, spike. And - of course - commiserations on your own cancer story, and how it’s getting neglected because of the chaos visited on the NHS by government policy, and the pols’ crazy, thrashing-about response to SC2. I too have noticed an apparent suspension in all normal NHS responses to medical problems. What does this mean? Is it another SC2-provided opportunity-grab by the seething enemies of social medical provision for all, free at point of need, and paid for by an actually-equitable taxation system (oh, if only!!)?

Here’s spike’s body-copy from his TLN post:

" A sobering analysis by Ivor Cummings.

In my opinion, too many people’s jobs and reputations now rely on continuing the madness of arbitrary social distancing measures and fear mongering based on the esoteric term ‘cases’ for this to stop anytime soon. Governments can and will fall if the general population begins to realise that the wave of unemployment, degradation, suicide and death they are about to experience is a result of a herd like adherence, among the governments of the world, to unproven methodologies promoted by vested interests to fight a virus that, in the final analysis, is no different in its basic features to other severe respiratory viral infections. Meanwhile, it will be clear to those involved that an excellent method of social engineering has fallen into their laps and they will not give it up lightly. The latest government edicts make clear that whatever the nature of the original measures, whether ignorant, well meaning or nefarious, this situation is only going to put more power in the hands of unelected politicians (by which I mean all of them), trans-national corporations and global institutions whose vested interests are interlinked in numberless combinations. I realise it’s a fractious subject here, but I’m surprised there’s not more discussion of the ramifications. Me, I’m terrified; far more than I am of ‘The Virus’.

A personal note if I may.

I was diagnosed with a stage 2 malignant melanoma earlier this year and was very lucky to have it diagnosed and treated (wide excision of affected area) by March 3rd, just as this was getting going. However, the normal face to face remission meetings did not occur, due to the panic around the virus. I subsequently had one telephone consulation (useless in the circumstances) and was probably due another soon but in the interim, by self examination, I discovered an enlarged lymph node close to the original site. In two weeks I will have a scan and will find out whether the node is cancerous or not. I relate this information to show not only that I have skin in the game (pun intended) but also to give just one example of the collateral damage of the last 6-7 months of hysteria around Covid-19; there will be tens of thousands more, all people and all entitled to a properly functioning health service capable of treating them. I have no idea how long the node has been enlarged and while the consultant I spoke to on the phone encouraged me to self examine, I had been fairly cursory in my efforts, not really wanting to find anything. Had I been able to see a professional, as I would have in normal circumstances, the swollen lymph node may have been detected earlier. As it is, I may be a dead man walking.

Happy viewing…!"

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That’s really shocking news, @spike. You will of course keep us posted on the result of the scan. (Typing permitting!)

Everything about this crisis is sobering and depressing, it casts a pall over everything, but hearing about such a deeply worrying individual experience brings it home all the more.

Agree totally with the above posted comments. Thanks, Rhis, for copying over the full post.

Sending my very best wishes your way, @spike. Your particular circumstances are truly both infuriating and heartbreaking. I really hope that you are able to get whatever treatment you need and make a full and speedy recovery! Best wishes!

The other points your raise are also important. In particular the emergency cancelling of other important surgeries and other treatments to be able to handle a possible surge in covid cases is a complete indictment of the current hollowed our state of our NHS.

It makes my blood boil.

Anyway. In solidarity, bro
PP

And btw spike: do get in touch again if you want to discuss more about self-help - which may well be the best that most of us are going to get hereafter…

I will my friend. Gerard also suggested some avenues over on TLN which I will explore but I’ve already got the Isopropyl sitting on the kitchen table ready to go

Thanks to everyone for the kind messages, I’m glad this place exists and I’m glad found it.

spike, I can offer a bit more oil (no charge, natch), but after that I’m waiting for this year’s harvest to ripen. But if you can find a source of good-quality foliage, you already know how to extract your own, I believe. That simple protocol - 60 grams by mouth in 90 days - is still the best alt-treatment of which I know, tallish order though it is; roughly first-equals with mega-dose C, given intra-venously by a cooperative medical pro - if you can find one!

Both approaches - as far as I can judge from a lot of looking into it - have better good-outcome records than the orthodox cut-burn-poison approach; and they both complement the orthodox approaches, make them less destructive, and don’t fight them in any way, afaik.

As we sit here watching in disbelief as our NHS seizes up and stops doing - the bulk of - what it’s supposed to do, this sort of active self-help is a best option for a lot of us - as will be increasingly the case hereafter, I think.

Oh, and don’t forget: establish a regular, several-times-a-day Simonton visualisation/meditation session technique, where you run in your relaxed and focused mind’s eye some sort of metaphoric image sequence of strongly-intended outcomes; the ‘Big White Dogs’ routine that I precised in a previous message, as described by Carl and Stephanie Simonton in their classic book: ‘Getting Well Again’:

https://www.simontoncenter.com/store/p4/Getting_Well_Again.html

Spike - first, your comments on the “other pandemic” are excellent and endorsed completely. Amongst many others I’ve been saying for the last six months that the consequences of the lock-downs and fear campaign will be magnitudes greater than any effects of the Virus, and now today our health minister suddenly discovered that admissions to emergency depts have gone down by 20 - 25% for cancer treatments, heart and stroke and other life threatening things, because of FEAR that hospitals are “unsafe”. Of course that’s not the only problem - half the staff have left the hospitals to self isolate, because they didn’t take their HCQ prophylactic or get through it and go back to work - immune.
Now I hope this will give you some encouragement over the melanoma. My wife had one on her leg twenty years ago, which left a bit of a pit when they took a second cut to remove it all. Despite periodic scares and tests, no further melanomas have appeared, only recently she had a skin cancer on her eyelid. It was cut out very cleverly and successfully, but always fearing the call that says “we didn’t get it all” … In the country where melanoma took 1000 lives a year, for obvious reasons, I think nowadays it takes less, but possibly more suffer the effects of Vit D deficiency from SP 50 suncream and covering up even in winter.
My wife also could have had the eye problem seen to sooner, but it wasn’t the COVID that delayed it. She went to the eye specialist about another condition, and he diagnosed what we had both already thought might be cancerous, but which doctor and optometrist had not. In the end it is often just the roll of the dice, so let’s bet on it turning up whatever wins!

Another lead for you spike. This - link below - keeps turning up in my emails, because of a contact I made whilst watching Andrew Saul interviewed on a health self-help video; and seeing the synchronicity, I thought you should see it. As you can see, the whole thing is being offered free just now. Feels as if it might be worth seeing… :

https://sq1.chrisbeatcancer.com/go?affiliate=126

Hi Dimac and thanks for your post and the good vibes :+1: . I have an ultrasound tomorrow so I guess I’ll find out wha’gwan then.

Fingers crossed :crossed_fingers: :crossed_fingers:

Thanks man, I’ll check that out right now

I’ve had a few ultrasounds and they’ve always been reassuring, so let’s hope this will be the case for you too. at least you don’t have those days of anxious waiting to find out. Good luck, :v:

@spike Sorry I came to this thread so late. To reinforce what Rhis and others have said here is a short story for you.

A good friend of mine was in the military. He has a malignant melanoma, had it removed, and the cancer spread everywhere. After chemo, radiation “therapy”, losing most of his teeth and severe scaring from the radiation, the army had given up. However he was offered a (what was at that time a new and experimental) treatment. They sat him in a bath of cannabis oil for an hour every day. No other treatment. Cancer gone. Lost teeth and scars remain but fit and healthy a good decade later.

All the alternative stuff works and the best bit of it, is you don’t help boost the coffers of big pharma!!

Finally, I’m an NLP practitioner and if there is a way to PM me, I’m happy to help you find ways to help yourself.

Inunction of cannabis oil - percolation through the skin by topical application - has already proven effective in stopping skin cancers. Rick Simpson’s own experience with treating precisely such cancers on his face, after the ‘official’ treatments were given up on him as having failed, was what set the whole Rick Simpson Oil story going in the first place (see his ‘Run From The Cure’ video on YT). Also on YT you can find other videos detailing other self-treaters’ successes with topical application.

The method is simple: rub a small dose of oil onto the suspect area, cover with a plaster, leave for a couple of days, peal and repeat as needed, until healing pink skin is apparent at the site, and the malignancy has gone.

If you can get hold of enough cannabis oil to fill a bath, well, why not? Daily immersion is pretty certain to do good. But failing a bathfull, a drop about the size of a split lentil will do for a by mouth dose (more will make you couch-locked stoned, though will still do powerful good). The same dose applied topically to a skin cancer also works, according to the self-treating pioneers.

@PatB

Wow, a bath of cannabis oil. That’s a lot of oil!

Thanks for your post, it gives me hope, though I’m not down. To be honest, given the state of the world, I’m quite keen to check out in a way. I feel like an alien who’s been on a lifelong research project and the more I learn about human society, the more disgusted I become. It really isn’t good enough. Michael Gove? In a position of power? Ugh, hand me the morphine, I’m outta here.

What’s an NLP practitioner?

@RhisiartGwilym

Hi, quick question.

I made some oil but deliberately didn’t de-carb it because I do a lot of physical work and the lethargy that comes with the high just makes my day that much harder. When the oil was done I, thinking that there would be basically no cerebral effects, took quite a bit more than I would of the normal stuff and went to bed, only to wake up about an hour later coming up hard. Don’t get me wrong, it was pleasant enough but given I had a full day of gardening ahead of me I could have done without an intense psychedelic experience at 1am.

Was I just wrong to assume there would be no effects? Does the distillation process heat up the extracted THC to the point that some of the chemical changes usually brought about by smoking the stuff occur?

*apologies if this conversation breaks board rules on drugs or whatever, @RhisiartGwilym quite happy to take this private if necessary

If you evaporated the solvent off with heat, spike, that would have done a pretty complete de-carb. Treat it as potentised for psycho-activity! Try small doses in the day, and a bit bigger at bedtime for a good night’s rest.

Also, if you can find a variety of foliage which is more sativa than indica, the lore is that this stimulates rather than sedates. Oddly, using an automatic called Royal Dwarf produces an oil which - for me - is clearly stimulant and weariness-alleviating taken in the morning, yet at the same time promotes a restful night’s sleep taken at bedtime; and at any time it’s a potent cardio-vascular helper, which is why I started taking it. Lots of lore, little established certainty. But one certainty seems to be that enough of it taken quickly enough will - often? usually? always? - stop cancer. I know of no high-quality, well-controlled studies that demonstrate this with a high degree of certainty, and to what percentage levels. Obviously the ‘cancer-management’ band-waggon isn’t interested because it can’t be patented and used as a huge money tree. And anyway, that complex isn’t interested in actual cures, or they would have looked into all the well-attested really curative treatments by now. But the anecdotes of excellent, total remissions via canna-oil, topically or by mouth, are legion.

So there’s no point decarbing in the oven beforehand then?

Using isopropyl alcohol as solvent, and using a bain-marie - a double boiler - to evaporate it off, you subject your oil to between 70 and 100 degrees C for several hours, if you include the purging process that rids it of the last remnants of solvent by “maintaining the temperature of a hot cup of coffee” for as long as it takes to stop showing even minute surface bubbles - usually an hour or so after the liquor has reduced to virtually solvent free. During the purge period, just turn the heat down till the water jacket is just simmering.

One good formula/rule-of-thumb for de-carbing already dried foliage is ‘100/100’: that’s to say, hold you sample at about 100 C for a hundred minutes. Using a bain-marie to evaporate off the solvent, both the active boil-off stage and the final-purge stage will achieve this automatically, so - no need for any other heat treatment for full de-carbing. In any case, it’s always wise to keep your oil below 140 C at all times, or too many of the more delicate terpenes and cannabinoids in it will begin to de-nature, and their healing contribution is lost. A bain-marie - as long as you take watchful care to keep the water-jacket from boiling dry! - automatically keeps the temperature of the oil to just below 100 C, giving full psycho-active potency to the finished oil.

To gain really powerful healing effect from foliage that has NOT been de-carbed, and therefore has less-to-no psycho-active effect, you need to juice - or, better still, blend - FRESH foliage. This has so little p-a effect, if at all, that you can take much bigger doses daily, and gain a markedly more powerful healing effect. This route to cannabis therapy has been a speciality of Dr. William Courtenay, practicing in California (qv; link below), with striking success. But of course, with Britain’s climate, you’d need a green-house, probably with some heating facility in the depths of Winter, to keep yourself supplied with enough daily fresh foliage. Failing that, extracted oil is the next best bet - though with some p-a effect just coming from the air drying process, when the THC-acid form in the living plant converts at least partially to plain THC. The acid form is non-p-a. I’ve discovered from daily use for several years now that oil prepared in the way sketched above seems to keep its potency for at least eighteen months, probably longer.

https://cannabisinternational.org/wordpress/

However, be aware of this guy’s - fantastic! - experience with raw, fresh cannabis… plus citrus and coconut! Beware of citrus fruits with cannabis! :slight_smile: At the same time, notice his recipe for excellent good health, the natural way.

Hi Rhisiart. Apologies for the delay in replying. Thank you, again, for the above. I’ve found I’ve got used to working ‘under the influence’ so it’s all good and I agree that the psychedelic affects are hugely beneficial; I’ve been having some wonderful insights by following my various trains of thought and it’s really helping me come to terms with my situation and the wider madness that surrounds us.

A quick update if I may. Had an ultrasound and aside from the obviously swollen node, others in the same area are showing signs of activity. I’m now booked in for a biopsy, a CT scan and an MRI, all in the next week; the NHS has been amazing, thank the stars I’m not in America.