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Suella Braverman is considering upgrading cannabis to class A #LegaliseCannabis

"Suella Braverman is considering upgrading cannabis to class A amid concerns it has become a “gateway” drug for more harmful substances.

The home secretary has told allies she is on the “same side” as a group of Conservative police and crime commissioners (PCCs) who in recent days have called for the drug to be put on a par with cocaine.

A source familiar with Braverman’s thinking said she is strongly opposed to calls to decriminalise cannabis, which she believes sends a “cultural” and “political” signal that using the drug is “acceptable behaviour”." https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/suella-braverman-wants-to-make-cannabis-a-class-a-drug-7fpfdb3ql

Has anyone mentioned the U.S experience? No one even tried to disarm this rabid lunatic? Holy cow…

Neither has anyone mentioned what the hikes in electricity are going to do to the grow-supply industry and the black market for cannabis yet. Small scale indoor growers who do so solely to supply their own needs are being priced out of the market, the shops who supply this market will also go under (and they do pay tax as do their employees)! What the long-term effects of all this will be I dread to think but criminalising and marginalising greater numbers of otherwise law abiding citizens and eschewing the benefits of legalisation (esp. in terms of market growth, jobs and the lessening of the costs of policing our asinine drug laws), can only end very badly.

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Corbyn Says; "As Biden pardons thousands for cannabis possession, Braverman pushes the UK further behind.

The War on Drugs has failed, disproportionately targeting working-class and minority ethnic people.

Stop criminalising communities and invest in them instead." https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1579147318225666055

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I don’t use the MSM so I’ve not heard of this particular imbecile before. Apparently she’s concerned about people receiving a signal that getting stoned is “acceptable behaviour”. Even an imbecile then, can clearly see that jumping on this tired and worn out old bandwagon is a successful way to climb up the slippery slope towards wealth and power, Back in the day, not only was rolling a joint as soon as my eyes opened in the morning “acceptable behaviour” it was actually essential behaviour.

Meanwhile, due to a shortage of imbeciles perhaps, here’s a link to what’s happened in Thailand in June this year:

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‘Imbeciles’ is a very mild word to describe the crew who’ve usurped government after Bozo’s lot - who were scarcely senior wranglers themselves. I’m just astonished that Britain - which I’ve known for decades was a spurious pretend ‘democracy’ - has nevertheless sunk to the level of having unelected fuckwits like Truss, Kwarteng and Braverman in positions of authority.

I hope and trust that this is just the darkest time that comes before the dawn. The trajectory I’m hoping for is: Russia flattens the NATOids pronto in the soon-to-be-ex Ukraine, bringing terminal crisis to the Anglozionist paper-tiger empire; the self-inflicted emergency that EU/Britain have inflicted on themselves with the sanctions bring European countries to their knees economically, causing crises which erupt large numbers of outraged plebs onto the streets, bringing down the US-comprador governments in Britain and Europe, with their ‘leaders’ lucky if they escape the Ceausescu sanction.

And then on to some serious actually-democratic reconstruction in Britain/Europe: another ‘Year of Revolutions’ which the comprador dumkopfs brought on themselves.

PS: My this-year’s crop is producing a beautiful aroma in the cool, dry storage place where I’ve got it stashed right now, right alongside the remnant of my last-year’s crop, still going strong: essential cardio-vascular medicine for me and several friends, for a good year or so… :wink:

Bring it on. It’ll collapse the police, legal and prison system

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Wicked…imported Thai blockweed (courtesy “The Convoy” 1983-84), still the best weed I’ve ever smoked not had better weed since (some Sensi v.good buy v.different), and the occasional “Temple Ball” gets there…

Yeah…what a moron…simply in-affordable (like the rest of their “policies”…talk about “barrel-scrapings” in this cabinet), …

"Cannabis users soon may be a majority among young adults in the District of Columbia and several pot-friendly states, a trend that points to a potential future of destigmatized marijuana across much of the nation.

More than two-fifths of young men and women nationwide now use cannabis at least on occasion, according to federal data, a quotient that has risen steadily in a decade of relentless legalization. Much of the trend is driven by young women, who have all but closed a decadeslong gender gap in marijuana use.

Young cannabis users outnumber abstainers in Vermont, where recreational marijuana became fully legal only this month. Young marijuana patrons are nearing majorities in Colorado, where cannabis has been legal for a decade, and in Washington, D.C., where the drug trades on a nebulous gray market. They are also reaching majority in Oregon, where recreational sales commenced five years ago.

“It really helps with sleep,” said Allison, 24, of Silver Spring, Md., one of five states with recreational cannabis measures on the fall ballot. She withheld her last name because the votes are not yet cast.

“It’s great for stress, anxiety,” she said. “And my generation has huge anxiety problems.”

Across the full adult population, marijuana use may stand at an all-time high. It’s hard to tell because, prior to the legalization movement, federal cannabis research focused largely on the young.

The share of all adults who said they had tried marijuana in their lifetimes reached 49 percent in 2021, the highest number measured in half a century of Gallup polling.

“In the next few years, we should see that crossing 50 percent,” said Lydia Saad, director of U.S. social research for Gallup.

When the polling organization first posed the question, in 1969, only 4 percent of adults said they had ever used cannabis.

Cannabis advocates rejoiced this month when President Biden announced he would pardon all Americans convicted of simple marijuana possession under federal law.

As many as five more states are poised to join the recreational marijuana movement after the midterms. Recreational marijuana could transform cannabis culture in North and South Dakota and Arkansas, states where only 10 to 15 percent of adults use the drug now.

“Twenty-five years ago, people were telling me, ‘Kid, it’s not gonna happen in your lifetime,’” said Etienne Fontan, a cannabis activist and Gulf War veteran who runs the oldest dispensary in the nation, Berkeley Patients Group in Northern California.

Already, 19 states and the District of Columbia have recreational marijuana laws on the books. Should all five measures pass, “legalization would be the law for an estimated 49 percent of the U.S. population,” said Paul Armentano, deputy director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, in an email interview.

Not everyone is celebrating. Health experts worry that rising cannabis use brings increased risk.

Marijuana is “about as addictive as alcohol,” said Christian Hopfer, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Colorado. “I’ve had numerous patients who have really had trouble getting off it.”

With legalization, “we have seen more and more people consume high doses of marijuana,” said Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse. Most cannabis consumers will be fine, but for a small share of users, ultra-potent recreational strains can trigger psychotic episodes.

“They can end up in the emergency department,” Volkow said.

For good or bad, the legalization movement has all but erased nearly a century of stigma against marijuana use.

The very word, marijuana, has “a racist legacy behind it,” said Matt Reid, an assistant professor of sociology at Cabrini University in Pennsylvania. “When it was first made illegal in the 1930s, the stigma was geared toward other cultures, Mexican immigrants.”

Early efforts to curb cannabis portrayed users as “violent and murderous,” Reid said. Cold War anti-drug messaging taught that marijuana “makes you lazy and a dropout,” hurting our campaign against communism. At the height of Drug Abuse Resistance Education during the Reagan administration, public service announcements taught that marijuana fried the brain like an egg.

Today, corporate America is sweeping in to open dispensaries and promote an expanding menu of cannabis to eat, drink, smoke and vape. The Colorado Symphony Orchestra has staged marijuana-friendly concerts. In Canada, where recreational marijuana was illegal just four years ago, UberEats launched a cannabis delivery service on Monday.

“Pabst Beer has their own line of cannabis seltzers,” said Fontan, the cannabis advocate. “They’re in my dispensary right now.”

The surge in cannabis use spans nearly every age group but in gradually dwindling numbers. Cannabis consumption falls off from roughly 40 percent of the population at age 30 to around 15 percent at age 55, according to federal data.

Among the youngest adults, marijuana use has yet to approach its all-time peak in the late 1970s.

The high-water mark of young adult marijuana use arrived in 1979, when nearly 36 percent of Americans ages 18 to 25 said they had smoked pot in the prior month. Marijuana use declined dramatically in the 1980s, flattened out in the 1990s and rose fitfully through the 2000s and 2010s. By 2021, monthly cannabis consumption in the 18-to-25 age group had rebounded to roughly 30 percent.

Gallup polling finds stark divides among contemporary cannabis users. Adults with graduate degrees are one-third as likely to consume cannabis as those with a college degree or less. Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to use marijuana. Liberals use cannabis at nearly four times the rate of conservatives.

Texas, one of a dwindling number of states where marijuana has no legal use, reports the lowest cannabis consumption in the nation. In 2019 and 2020, only 13 percent of Texas adults and 26 percent of young adults said they had used marijuana in the prior year, according to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

Men are almost twice as likely as women to use cannabis, according to Gallup polls. But the gender gap is narrowing. Among young adults, it has nearly closed.

Women are driving the steady rise in cannabis consumption among young adults nationwide. The marijuana gender gap peaked in 2010, according to federal data, when 34 percent of young men reported cannabis use, compared to only 23 percent of young women.

By 2020, monthly cannabis consumption in the 18-to-25 age group had rebounded to 23 percent.

Cannabis retailers target female consumers with marketing that promotes the product as a plant, rather than a drug, with holistic appeal and scant caloric consequences.

“Cannabis cooking — that has become its own thing,” said Stephanie Zellers, a postdoctoral researcher in psychology at the University of Helsinki who has studied cannabis in the United States. “I’ve seen cooking competitions that involve choosing a strain of cannabis with a flavor profile that works with the food.”

Zellers and her collaborators published research this year that more or less proved adults are more likely to use cannabis in states with recreational sales, by a margin of about 20 percent. Researchers controlled for other variables by studying pairs of twins.

A separate study found a bump of roughly 25 percent in adult cannabis consumption when states legalize recreational use.

“We see the biggest increase once the dispensaries open,” said Alex Hollingsworth, an associate professor in the School of Public and Environmental Affairs at Indiana University.

“I look at my parents,” Hollingsworth said. “They’re not going to grow marijuana plants. But if it were in a store, where it was legal, they might do that.”" https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/3693312-marijuana-use-is-becoming-a-new-normal-among-young-adults/

Docile, easy-going citizens who can watch fifteen episodes of Rick And Morty in one sitting are probably less likely to mount any opposition to the crushing of their civil liberties. Just a thought.

Why this and why now?

I smoked the stuff for years, every day, I can’t think of any long term benefits, and claims that it relieves anxiety need to be taken with a massive dose of snuff.

Drug: the chemical/narcotic properties of a substance;
Set: your underlying frame of mind and expectations of the experience;
Setting: the surrounding milieu e.g. a jazz club (nice!) versus a hyped-up rave with constant flashing lights, massively loud music, and scallies trying to sell ibuprofen on the pretence that it’s E.

These interact, every single time, in different combinations, producing an aggregate experience that could be wildly different for two different users or the same user on two different occasions.

Someone with chronic anxiety may well have a tendency toward paranoia, which any stimulant could magnify alarmingly, cannabis too.

I’ve seen too many people destroyed, or killed, by drugs. A cousin of mine who was like a sister to me when we were growing up, for example. Gone in her 30s.

None of the above is an argument for prohibition, which generally plays out as Class War by proxy in any case, but people who make the " hey, it’s just like having a pint " play are Muppets. We need to argue for a holistic approach that takes drugs off the streets, supports and helps people who have been damaged by them (and I don’t mean six shitty CBT Zoom sessions), and includes booze and every other potentially mind altering substance. Funded by taxes on the products themselves, grown/produced as would be maize, sisal, soya, or antihistamines.

As things stand every little bump of coke ultimately contributes to gang killings in Mexico, Baltimore. Philly (especially bad right now), Croydon, and Djakarta.

/Rant Ends

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Can’t disagree with you K. But my doses of cannabis foliage, decarboxylated, milled up in a blender, then preserved in - limited amounts! - of strong waters (distilled alcoholic drinks) are helping my geriatric degenerations noticeably: taken by mouth in two daily doses. Total amount of whiskey involved per 24 hours, about half a teaspoonful! :slight_smile:

Nor have I found the intake to be imposing withdrawal symptoms in the slightest degree, on the odd occasions when I knock off for a few days to see what happens.

Otoh, I have a neighbour who’s been using it recreationally for decades, who every so often has to go to A&E with some sort of crisis caused by his use. But that said, the idea that it’s a) dangerous; and b) no help for ills of body or mind seems to me to be just plain wrong on both counts.

It needs to be used with care in the natural health pharmacopoeia, with about the same caution that digitalis, say, is used. Other than that, it all seems a lot of fuss about nothing; and with all the utterly fake demonisation, of what had been known forever previously as a medical herbal remedy, precipitated by some gic-shenanigans about replacing hemp products with wood-pulp products, jazzed up by bigbiz ‘forest-owning’ shysters on the make in 1930s USAmerica - of course!

So - after a century of us groping about in a total idiocy fog over cannabis, it might finally get exonerated around the hundredth anniversary of its original false condemnation.

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I have no quarrel whatsoever with what you said @RhisiartGwilym: drug, set, setting. This is not some neologism I just made up, but established and very sound theory in the field. (I worked in Addiction Services for a few years.) A largely innocuous substance like m.j. used in a moderate way is therapeutic in many cases and should indeed be part of the toolkit available in reputable wellbeing regimens, be it ‘medical’, self-administered, or provided in a discreet brown wrap by the local sangoma.

The Reefer Madness campaign was every bit as dishonest as the pro tobacco shilling I alluded to in one of the other threads. Not to mention thoroughly racist, as my reference to jazz clubs (great!) hinted at.

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“A largely innocuous substance like m.j. used in a moderate way is therapeutic in many cases” K I don’t have a choice and prohibition is hugely financially problematic for me…I’m prescribed opioids but they give me heart palpitations and high blood pressure… I would ingest m.j regularly if I could afford to…as it is I barely get by smoking (approx.), 0.5 g/ day and drinking moderately…if I were on prescribed m.j I could stop smoking altogether (gave up tobacco 2-3 years ago), and get my alcohol consumption below the 14units/week recommended max. as-well.

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G, I’ve got a fair bit of dry foliage+bud to spare, if you can use it. Free, no charge.

As I may have described before, I de-carb it in a double boiler (100X100 method: held near boiling-water temp for 1hour40 minutes), then mill it in a blender to a coarse meal, then blend in small quantity of whisky or other hard liquor as a preservative, plus anything else you like to make it taste good; I use honey.

Half a teaspoon of this, twice a day by mouth, does all the sterling service I need from canna, without having to smoke at all. Let me know if you can use any of this foliage. Solidarity bro! :wink:

Your a brick Rhis thank you…When you say 100/100 double-boiler what do you mean (atm I would be using hash)?

This is for preserving whole cannabis foliage as a long-life medicine. You use a double boiler to keep the temperature in the safe zone for not degrading the more delicate phytochemicals in the plant: the DB holds the foliage in the 95-100 degree C range. You let the boiler simmer gently for a hundred minutes, topping up the water jacket as necessary.

De-carbing makes sure that all the tetra-hydro-cannabinolic acid in the living plant’s foliage is converted to plain THC.

Dr William Courtney in California specialises in treating patients with fresh canna juice, because the THC is all - or mostly - in the acid form in the living plant, and because it’s non-psychedelic in the acid form, William can prescribe much higher doses for his patients - with truly spectacular healing effects.

Otoh, I’ve come, over the past seven years of daily medical use, to appreciate the spiritual healing effect of canna’s psychedelic effects, alongside the biological therapeutic effects, which are legion, apparently. That’s why I bother to de-carb my foliage.

I prefer the alcoholic preserve of complete foliage that I do now to the oil-extraction process which I used to use, simply because this way you get the whole plant (I include roots in the mix) rather than just an extract which may not contain all the healing phytochemicals as the complete thing does. Also, the preserve method is very quick and easy, unlike evaporating off all the solvent from the oil.

If you already have hash, I guess you don’t need to decarb that. Just use as is. Smoking, though, does waste a considerable percentage of the dose, through burning it. Better to take it by mouth, without any treatment at all that takes it over 140 degrees C. Then you get the benefit of the whole piece of hash…

Just to chuck into the mix, I’ve never done ‘drugs’; not for any moral reasons, etc, but because I don’t like the effect they have on my body.

Here in France (and many other parts of Europe) it’s not unusual for people to drink two bottles of wine a day.

If everything was legalised and affordable, I would hazard that most people would prefer a glass of good vin rouge.

But hey, different strokes for different folks, and all that.

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A belated “she’s gorn…” followed by a “she’s back again…” so I’m guessing Suella might yet follow through with her kakky idea. (Braverman sent official Comms via her personal email, confessed, resigned… from the Truss regime… but is back one week later in the Rashid Soonak cabinet.)

I wonder if a similar indiscretion, e.g. use of WhatsApp, was what led to the Dirty Bomb plot being rumbled by Russian Intel and, hopefully, never making it past speculative stage. If official channels were cracked (and there’s a hint that subsurface Comms cables may have been tapped) this is good news from my POV . The fewer secrets the GICs have the better.

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Have you a pic./description of a double-boiler? When I do use hash for eating I simmer it gently in spirit for 20-30mins then add a splash of water and evaporate the last of the alcohol (again simmering gently), it’s ready for use after this… Can you tell me though what does “decarboxylate” mean and how does it benefit the bud?

“Drugs” means pharmaceuticals to me…I only use natural substances unless prescribed pharmaceuticals and I only take those under protest #legaliseopiumonprescription #legalisecannabis

My double boiler is a stainless steel jug with two skins, inner and outer, and a water-jacket space between them, topped up from a filler on the jug handle, with sight glass, to see where the water-level is between the skins.

It goes on the stove, and after being brought to the boil, it’s then left to simmer, topping up the water-jacket as needed. This arrangement allows stuff in the jug to be held at or just below 100 degrees C. French cooks like making sauces with it, apparently.

Double boilers can be improvised with a lidded pan containing a pyrex bowl, also with water-shedding lid, plus simmering water between pan and bowl.

‘100/100 De-carbing’ means taking fresh or partly-dried foliage and holding it in the double boiler for a hundred minutes. This limited heating causes the THC-acid in the living, fresh foliage to lose its acid radical and become just plain THC, but without degrading other delicate phytochemicals in the preserve by heating over 140 degrees C. Double boilers hold the temperature very effectively at just below 100 C.

The acid form is said to be non-psychedelic, or nearly so. So - if you want a hit from it, you need to decarb. As I said, I like to de-carb it because I’ve come round, as a result of several years of daily medical use, to thinking that the altered state of consciousness which it enables is therapeutic, psychologically and spiritually, in its own right, alongside the biological help that the phytochemicals bring to your bodily system: My observed experience.

I’ve also used the psych effect as an indicator of whether the rest of the biologicals in the preserve are still potent, on the rough calculation that if the THC is still effective, so are likely to be the other cannabinoids and terpenes, which make up the bulk of the medicine. Both my oil extracts and my all-foliage herbal preserves in alcohol seem to hold their potency for at least a couple of years, in my experience.

If this is correct, it means that it’s easy to make a year’s supply of keepable medicine for yourself from one crop, so long as you can manage to harvest it without interference. The decarb/mill/blend with small quantity of hard-liquor plus honey, etc., to taste/ process is very quick and easy, and produces palpably-effective medicine in quantity, which will then keep in a cool, dark place indefinitely, as far as I’ve been able to discover till now. Cheers G! :slight_smile:

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GKH, I understand entirely where you’re coming from.

I make no judgements.

Apologies if I came across that way.

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