… when they happen to fall naturally into the ranks of the highly-suggestible, easily trance-induced segment of the populace; Andrei - for all his very high-quality general savvy - apparently being one such unfortunate. Intelligence, widespread knowledge, and wide experience of the world just doesn’t make any difference, it seems, if you happen to be susceptible that way. A key point to keep in mind permanently, especially for anyone - such as followers of MLMB, TLN and 5F - who is interested in the huge effects that modern media manipulation methods have on what we think we know. The mass-hypnosis machine of the gics.
The first spontaneous response to people who demonstrate that they’re airing a blind-spot rant is to laugh at them. But then conscience say: ‘No! They’re in trouble, struggling with cognitive dissonance. Be tolerant, be patient, be sympathetic with their difficulty! Wait for them to awake spontaneously from their trance, and its rabid post-hypnotic suggestions. They will eventually.’
So, I won’t poke fun at Andrei. But I offer this link to demonstrate the sort of illogical situations into which the covid-hypnosis drive can thrust the highly suggestion-susceptible: On the one hand, Andrei is in full irrational rabid-censor mode in his intro, slagging the prudently covid-sceptical as “insane” (rank projection, or what? ); yet the essay itself, by an Iranian scholar, is eminently sensible to those who have not been entranced by the covid scam. Kudos to Andrei that he at least gave it room on his blog.
The gist, for those who see the article as too long, and too islamically-verbose (sorry for that prejudiced remark, but hyper-verbosity does seem to be a habit amongst the islamic commentators whom I encounter) is that the covid pathogen - whatever it really is - does seem to have been used as a bio-weapon against Iran (and China too, perhaps? RhG’s added musing), and therefore Iranians should stick to their own nationally-developed cures, and be terminally suspicious of the Anglozionist empire’s lethal/crippling fakecines, not consenting to touch them with a barge-pole. PS: study this article in conjunction with Sam Bailey’s latest vid, linked here at 5F today by CJ1, for fruitful further cross-fertilisation of understanding:
HI @RhisiartGwilym , thanks for the link to the Saker.
The view of Dr Bailey is different to Mansoureh Tajik - as far as I can see Dr Bailey maintains that no-one has purified and isolated and photographed Sars Cov2 virus nor proved any link to a new disease Covid 19 whereas M Tajik reports that Iran has identified 2 different strains circulating in Iran which are different to the Wuhan version.
Dr Bailey points to Dr David Martin’s Reiner Fuellmich interview where DM reveals patents of the Sars Cov2 virus over a decade earlier which clearly rubbishes the claim that this is a NOVEL virus - which is also slightly different to Dr. Bailey’s view that the virus has not been proved to exist. DM shows that the virus is a man-made virus based on GOF work on a construct patented years before.
The views of David Martin and Mansoureh Tajik are of course similar in that they both maintain that the virus is man-made and a bioweapon - which is the one I lean towards. The point was made - I think on the
UK column - that a bioweapon to create havoc without having “plague” lethality is more useful to disable your enemy ( like new land mines are not made to kill - “just” maim- to overload the enemy’s health system! )
It certainly seems that no-one can produce a properly purified physical sample. All the claims to that effect seem to fall apart into computer-imagined mirages when examined closely.
I don’t think Mansoureh is a doctor, nor is he described as having any relevant expertise. But his thesis will appeal to Andrei, I imagine; just so long as no-one is allowed to discuss the discrepancies which you list, of course. Saker can’t handle that without going bat-shit berserk, as he demonstrated recently when he published three open threads on the subject - which of course brought all the arguments and counter-arguments out of the woodwork. He raged like a complete projection-fountain irrational, then shoved the whole subject back into total censorship. For him, “the science is settled.”
My rating of Andrei’s savvy took quite a bashing over that.
I lean towards the line which Sam Bailey and David Martin take, which suggests no genuinely novel pathogen, but probably something which has been created over a considerable recent period; but one which no-one outside the loop has been able to demonstrate to exist in purified and fully-sequenced form. Presumably the insiders behind this scam know, but they won’t tell.
I wonder whether this bioweapon -“flu with bells and whistles added” is a two parter like the professional glues:
part1 : a strong corona flu which rips through the weak and which can be hyped into a pandemic
part 2 : a “vaccine” “antidote” which is just a programmable shell which when universally mandated and coupled with digital IDs and currency can be loaded with all sorts of “goodies” to cripple selected people/populations.
This wouldn’t be the “final solution” but the “Total Solution” - and the win win is that the victims would finance part 2 themselves!
It doesn’t need to be hyped into a pandemic if it actually satisfies the definition of a pandemic does it? Incidentally, did you ever watch the Channel 4 sci-fi program called “Utopia”? I think you’d find it pretty interesting. I watched it early on during lockdown - perhaps not the smartest choice!
From the Saker’s recent posts, I found this thread very interesting. I found myself in agreement with most of what Ron Unz had to say.
Hi PP
"It doesn’t need to be hyped into a pandemic if it actually satisfies the definition of a pandemic does it? "
Only if the definition is blind to treatment options. Someone (was it Peter McCulloch?) said it was the most treatable ‘pandemic’ ever.
When you take this into account, the pandemic can resonably be seen as the system of business-driven, acquiescent governments with economic dominance of the strongest to bully the rest out of their treatment options.
It’s unlikely there will be a true pandemic anytime soon - IMO the word needs to be qualified with the extent to which the illness is allowed to be treated.
Yeah, that’s true. It was a pandemic that could have been stopped in it’s tracks by appropriate treatment (and still could), you’re right. But it was still a pandemic according to the basic definition of the word.
Have we ever seen the Saker really disagree with the Russian state under Putin? Perhaps he’s just following his pattern of defending the narrative coming from the Russian state, which officially is not covid 19 sceptic. That doesn’t mean the Saker is not a good source for analysis.
Thanks PP. Manufactured pandemic I quite like, like experimental vaccine. I think there’s social pressure not to use such language, arsing from ramping up of the dehumanising of alleged ‘anti-vaxxers’.
But even these terms are merely social compromises. A pandemic is something that can not be stopped. They have one hand on the accelerator! Just like a ‘vaccine’ has never been a disease that you get the cells in your body to produce, and they’ve never before been made of nanoparticles, and they’ve always been for untreatable diseases. At least, that’s what we were told.
Just to blather on a bit more (I do realize it’s not your fault!), I would say the pressure not to even use weak compromise language in public is a good indicator of the repressive force field we live in at present.
Cheers
Reading Ron’s responses, P, I notice something that I’ve noticed in his analyses before. I always find them well worth the time, but following his output, I’ve noticed a tendency to go to ‘official’ sources for the hard, detailed information on which he bases his conclusions. This has been followed on occasion, I seem to remember, by a partial retraction of earlier conclusions in favour of sounder ones eventually reached through additional information, or through a review of previously-accepted information. I’m just quoting from ‘topofthehead’ remembering here, so could be a bit inaccurate, but that’s what I think I remember.
Seems to me that Ron is still in the thick of that process here.
I don’t think this guy knows enough about covid-19 to be worth interviewing on it. He hasn’t been paying attention.
“Once people stop believing the media, they turn to their own favored sources, which can become echo-chambers based upon wishful thinking.”
What? Well, at least he isn’t on TLN! But good grief…
You can’t hold up the US as an example of how serious the (manufactured) pandemic is. I had a quick look at a random date last spring, 19 May, and 44% of the deaths were in New York and New Jersey, which together only comprise 9% of the population. Something was going on, in NY they were chucking people with covid into care homes and also wrongly onto ventilators.
The US is his example he seems not to have followed the main controversies there. The issue of early treatments is put to him - not very directly, but he has nothing to say on it. The interviewer doesn’t press him, even when he blames the health crisis on Trump and ‘his CDC’! Trump was at loggerheads with Fauci for most of the period. It was Democrat America that scuppered hydroxychlorioquine, a drug that still has 100% of (edit: early treatment) studies recording a positive effect. They are still scuppering it, and Ivermectin too. Despite noticing that the Western countries did far worse than their poorer counterparts he hasn’t put two and two together.
He has totally missed out on the goings-on in the medical world. He has managed to glean that the experimental vaccine is dangerous (far, far more dangerous than any vaccine before, he says), but not that it’s been promoted to an unprecedented level for 18 months by the media and governments he seems to trust on these issues. He says it’s not that good at stopping transmission, but isn’t fussed that it’s being forced on people. If most doctors take it, that’s good enough for him he says.
I guess he’s hotter on wider politics but today is the day one of our group is kicking his heels in a graveyard thanks to vaccine passports (what fun that will be in the winter). I don’t see much point in reading people who haven’t delved into the events they are discussing in any detail.
Utopia was excellent, watched it avidly when it was first shown (I still had a telly in they days) and must review. A US remake surfaced on Amazon Prime and it’s also pretty good. The USA setting makes it uncannily like the “real” Pandemic. A second series is promised.
…bearing in mind that the WHO definition was tweaked. I don’t have citations at my fingertips but one of the key changes was that influenza pandemic used to include a clause referring to large numbers of fatalities. But not any more.
If memory serves the tweaking started after H1N1 narrowly avoided wiping out humanity /s
EDIT: apologies, I missed the post by @CJ1 earlier in this thread. Same point but with citation
Epidemic
Adjective: affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
Noun: an outbreak of disease that spreads quickly and affects many individuals at the same time : an outbreak of epidemic disease
Pandemic
Adjective: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the [population]
Noun: an outbreak of a disease that occurs over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affects a significant proportion of the population
I guess if Kill Gates says Coroni affects a “significant proportion of the population” (like say, flu?), then it is a pandemic?
My understanding is that, in part, a pandemic is based on the number of cases. Trouble is, the definition on what constitutes a case has been radically changed. It used to be that a ‘case’ was defined by an individual presenting clinical symptoms, but now, since the change, it only has to be a positive test.
‘Pandemic’ implies - in everyone’s mind - much larger numbers of people than usual all dying untimely within a short, abnormal period, from some dreadful rampant disease. Whatever quibbling about dictionary definitions we may indulge, I very much doubt that the popular understanding of the word fails to include that terrifying concept. That’s precisely why it’s been pushed at us all from the first.
The covid scam doesn’t qualify, on this understanding. Being instead a swindle where that mass-death process is pretended to be happening, when in fact it isn’t, what we have now is more properly called a scamdemic. The covid illness - which is indeed real - appears to be killing about what we expect as normal from seasonal flus. Does anyone challenge the widely-given figure of a 99.9something infection-survival rate? Apart from certain novel aspects, which may indeed indicate a deliberately-engineered pathogen, covid is looking more and more like a usual flu.
OTOH, the poison-stab death-toll, as it’s shaping up, more properly qualifies as a pandemic. I daresay the scammers will contrive a form of propaganda to add those gratuitous deaths to the official fake totals of their scam, to pretend that the victims were actually killed by the non-existent pandemic rather than being wilfully murdered by the crooks behind the scam. It’s the sort of damned lie they’ve been pushing from the outset, after all.
And please: before anyone starts quoting global death-toll figures at me, do include some convincing evidence that your figure-source can be trusted. That assurance is virtually impossible to acquire whilst this scam continues. Who are you going to trust? WHO? Littlewilly Gates’s bought toy?
I include the probable IFR here only because it seems to be virtually unchallenged by anyone.
); yet the essay itself, by an Iranian scholar, is eminently sensible to those who have not been entranced by the covid scam. Kudos to Andrei that he at least gave it room on his blog.