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“Your risk score is above 10%, which is why we would like you to discuss starting statin medication if you are interested.”

It said this in two successive “results sheets” received after two Annual Health Checks I attended. One in August, late-August at that, the second one in the first half of December.

At the first Nurse H explained that when a new patient, which I was, joins the practice, which I had. Is aged over sixty, which I am, they are offered a Health Check as a way of gathering your history. So don’t pay much attention to the letter. But I did.

In between that Annual Health Check and my next, this time the Real Annual Health Check, early December, remember? I’d been prescribed Blood Pressure meds. Having taken daily readings on a cheap Chinese BP meter I could see a scarily high score quite quickly becoming less alarming. Pretty soon I’m on the double dose, less impact funnily.

So the second set of “results sheets” includes a freakily low, for me, BP reading.

There’s this section that reads “target score 10% or lower” and a result saying 16.54%. Previously it was 13.93%

Now comes this suggestion of statins and my question is: have vague memories of hearing bad things about statins. Any leads? I’ve not yet read the NHS version of iNfoRmAtiOn.

Secondary question, but I think I know this one. Do you think I’m being led down a particular path by some algorithm?

All thoughts very very welcome, this is my sad life we’ve talking here :slight_smile:

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I believe the latest reports indicate that there is no evidence that statins help anyone. There are known side-effects I can’t recall them now - I gave them up years ago as I did with blood pressure tablets and went onto natural herbal remedies like hawthorn.

The NHS tests for anything and the more they test the more they say they find, but despite the pills I believe the numbers of people with problems continues to rise. Of course the numbers will have been massively affected by the jab, imo.

cheers

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I wouldn’t go near a medical professional now, regardless. Final straw was a broken foot a few years ago. The medical experience we enjoyed in our youth and younger is long gone. I put them on par with mechanics and most of them (my personal experience) are crap.

I’m sure I’ve read somewhere that they are not good for you.

Is dodgy blood pressure a family thing? If it isn’t, then I’d look at my personal life and what can be done to make it easier (I know, right). You’ve been through a lot. Divorce, new house, far from old friends etc. I’m sure there’s stress loitering from that. Then of course there is the stress of having the knowledge and not being blissfully unaware.

Stay safe.

Edit for link

https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-08-27-statin-drug-industry-profits-from-lies-about-cholesterol.html

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My two cents worth is this.

Statins are one of the greatest big pharma scams second only to convid. It’s all related to is high cholesterol bad. There are so many points of view on this but all the sensible views agree that the basis of LDL to HDL (the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ cholesterol) ratio. Almost every dietitian without an axe to grind agrees that this is not the basis for deciding you have a problem at all.

When I’m back in France I’ll copy you with a scan from a very good book which explains a lot of this. I know you don’t like video but try some of those on Rumble.

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And right on time ….

“ The findings suggest that adjusting your gut flora may be a simple way to naturally maintain optimized cholesterol levels.”

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Dr. Malcolm Kendrick has written extensively on this business “The Great Cholesterol Con ” (2008), “Doctoring Data ” (2015), “A Statin Nation: Damaging Millions in a Brave New Post-Health World ” (2018) and “The Clot Thickens: The enduring mystery of heart disease ” (2021).

He and Dr Zoë Harcombe have just won a long court case against the Daily Mail which tried to trash their reputations on this very issue in March 2019. Chapters & many verses here:

Our advice: don’t go near statins, don’t go near medical ‘tests’ - for any damned thing at all - , don’t go near GPs or their drug dens, not ever again, ever.

And have a very merry Christmas, eat & drink owt you want & plenty of it but not sugar, sugar substitutes, carbohydrates, green veg, anything commercially processed (well, red wine, single malts & calvados excepted of course)!

(We’re in our seventies, enjoying life and detoxing nicely, as & when, in our own time.)

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But is there a more subtle thing being played out?

Appreciate the feedback.

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Brilliant, thank you.

You are so 100% over the target (sorry) pointing out that being thrown into a measure, then adjust, funk was painful, and probably better not to know.

I’ll definitely shirk the next Annual Health Check. No real quarrel with an MOT but yearly is plenty.

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I am much more relaxed about videos these days. And generally. I prefer YouTube mainly for ease of use but all and any links will be followed up.

Thanks!

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Thank you so much. Will follow this up along with the other links.

A merry season of Saturnalia to you too. I will confess I’m gorging on a macaroon from evil Azduh right now. Sugar is a harsh mistress.

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Some suggestions;

Get an O/S map for your area. Explore.

The above should involve walking. Some swimming would be good too (but it ain’t cheap nowadays. Cold too…).

Remember any dreams from childhood? As Oasis sang, they fade away as we’re living. Remember any? Maybe now is the time to indulge.

Learn a new practical skill. They said learn to code. I’d say learn to weld.

Take a mooch around you new home and look for easy cheap DIY projects. Gap filing. Draught excluders. Unassembled door canopies are about £35. Putting it together will keep you occupied.

Lastly, from personal experience, seems making friends isn’t as easy as it used to be. Look for clubs. Familiar subject or something new, you’ll be forced to interact. Works for me.

Hi Kieran-Telo :slightly_smiling_face:

I think the subject of statins is one where it’s hard to gauge the politics-free truth. Everything they say about the medical politics behind statins is plausible, likely even; a dynamic driven by profit and control that has existed and prevailed for decades.
Trying to be objective, my impression is that the bulk of the entrenched cholesterol view has met a strong challenge by the hypotheses of Kendrick and others. Without the underlying medical knowledge, my gut would still ‘vote’ for them being right.

The respectable and respected (IMO) A Midwestern Doctor runs through the politics etc

The one thing I would say is that among those medics with a bit more faith, but not necessarily a lot, there seems to be agreement that the strongest evidence for statins is for those who have had a heart attack, for preventing more heart attacks - ie secondary prevention.
AMW in the above article doesn’t cover this aspect; I presume this is due to secondary prevention only accounting for a small proportion of statin prescriptions.

One study less likely to be powered by pharma money (due to the presence of Peter McCullough in the lineup, and after covid too) is this one, in which this view on secondary prevention is stressed:

Usefulness of Statins as Secondary Prevention Against Recurrent and Terminal Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events
“Statins are not only indicated, but also confer the greatest benefit for secondary prevention. 12,24”
https://www.ajconline.org/action/showPdf?pii=S0002-9149(22)00430-1

If it was me and I’d had a heart attack, I’d feel I was in a bit of a dilemma, certainly I’d look into alternatives, and might (or might not) take the darned things while I was looking, and stop if there were any worrying side effects.

There are other more natural ways to lower cholesterol. But is it all about cholesterol? (More to add to what has been posted on this…)

OTOH (my handwringing continues), statins seem to do other useful things. They have an unheralded anti-inflammatory effect, and a school of thought says this is useful in cancer treatment. This anti-inflammatory effect may help prevent a second heart attack in ways other than reducing cholesterol.
This development would undoubtedly be serendipitous for the statins industry, which launched them almost blindly once they realised they could lower cholesterol, and with far less knowledge of the wider picture than there is now.

I might ask the docs what medical parameters they think put me (you) at risk and what were your figures, and get those tested again in say 6m or a year’s time. Certainly attend to any of the obvious non-pharma things that may apply to you eg things like weight, exercise, diet, which are win-wins on the cardio front. They will likely reduce your cholesterol anyway, incidental though it may be.

If I’d had no heart attack I’d do the same kinds of things, but I’d go along with the choir and tend to treat the statins advice as unreliable due to its history and objectively weaker evidence, as enough medics are questioning it. And file along with other over-zealous medical promotions cascaded down by profiteers that are worth checking, just not right now. But I’d heed the warning nevertheless and take a look round with a prophylactic view, as you are doing.

Medics who argues against statins usually say that if you take statins, you should should also take co-enzyme Q10.

The main side effect and criticism of statins is myopathy.

It seems generally accepted that statins reduce co-enzyme Q10, and that these levels return on supplementation. Whether the supplementation benefits as much as intended is trickier. Some individual trials have found so, systematic reviews less so.

This one did find benefit
Effects of Coenzyme Q10 on Statin-Induced Myopathy: An Updated Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials

IMO, systematic reviews and meta-analyses can be rather blunt instruments and are biased towards randomized controlled trials (which tend to be pharma sponsored due to their size) even when these are deficient in key respects. Despite having ‘bias checks’ they seem powerless to detect blindinginly obvious bias in authors’ decisions, interpretations and language. So many studies mis-state their results, abandon very basic rules of hypothesis testing yet come up as bias free in automatic ‘tests’.

As noted, statin dissidents say that for those taking statins, supplementing Co-Q10 is essential and I’d side with them on that one, no harms have been demonstrated; so alleviating a real concern associated with the drugs seems to make sense.
Particularly as Co-Q10 seems intrinsically involved in key metabolic functions and other cardio stuff.

Eg
Coenzyme Q10 for heart failure

I’ve been re-reading a couple of summary articles presenting the emerging picture as related by informed opposition, will post them soon. For now I’m off to consume some cholesterol, and some far worse things…

Hope helpful.

ED

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