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Guys: let’s be reasonable and draw a line under this…

Having seen several blogs ripping this article apart I decided it was time to read, and to share (I’m nice like that) the original mealy-mouthed trendy vicar style bollix…

Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach?

No. Funnily enough. I do recall much handwaving freakoutery in response to a sarcastic comment about drinking bleach by D J Trump. But those were the nice people, somehow not the target of Oster’s piece.

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" the original mealy-mouthed trendy vicar style bollix"
This describes the piece exactly. Eight words instead of eight hundred - 99% efficacy :slightly_smiling_face:

When I read about the bleach I drew my line through it :slight_smile:

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I know that Atlantic piece has angered lots of people.

I’m afraid I’m still in forgive mode. I’ll try to explain why:

We are now coming up to the 2nd year of the jabs, and already large numbers are being injured or killed by them.

A large number of medical experts have said that we would start to notice it from year 2, and from year 2 to year 5 is when huge numbers will be dropping off the perch (perhaps half of the human race). If, God forbid, that happens, the survivors will be our strongest allies when it comes to sorting out these demons and bringing them to justice.

It won’t help this progression if we crow over the fact that we were right and they were wrong.

I’m not sure if my thought process has any logic here.

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I don’t think there’s any crowing going on here @RobG over we were right and they were wrong.

“We” were right and I for one just want those stupid/hypnotised/afraid who were wrong, to say we were wrong. Much more importantly, they should be saying lets all deal with the criminals who put his unbelievably cruel, self-serving agenda into action. Let’s recognise it wasn’t a mistake by some misguided scientists? It was a long term globally planned agenda with governments and their technocrats all over the world that concieved and carried out the plan. It was all those scientists and functionaries who in search of their own nobel prize or other piece of silver, kept spreading the lies. It was the doctors and nurses who forgot their hypocratic oath to first do no harm.

Forgive? Not until every one of them comes before either Nuremberg 2 or for those more forgiving than me, before the South African style truth and reconciliation committee (and I vote Reiner Fullmich as chairman).

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…and the jabbed can be helped but, as always, they must wish it…many, many people have fallen for the geegaws and gaflah of the neoliberal state (I incl. “communist” China here), and many are too young to know any better than to weld a mobile phone to their necks…a lot of the older ones it is hard to feel sorry for but, nevertheless; “let him who is without sin cast the first stone!”
My recommendation for the jabbed is to drastically increase (using as broad a spectrum as possible), the beneficial bacteria in the gut…to use Echinacea (strong organic tincture), as an anti-viral/respiration support and to increase pure vitamin C dose (through fruit and/or supplements), …I make sure all my meds. and supplements are as natural as possible and capture the maximum bio-activity. Once this has been accepted by the patient (as both practice and philosophy), then homoeopathy and vibrational medicine can be utilised. Homoeopathy should also be considered as a primary response for any of those displaying marked symptoms of reaction to the jabs

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“…lets all deal with the criminals who put his unbelievably cruel, self-serving agenda into action. Let’s recognise it wasn’t a mistake by some misguided scientists? It was a long term globally planned agenda with governments and their technocrats all over the world that concieved and carried out the plan. It was all those scientists and functionaries who in search of their own nobel prize or other piece of silver, kept spreading the lies. It was the doctors and nurses who forgot their hypocratic oath to first do no harm.” Couldn’t agree more Pat…

…but let’s not be shrinking violets about the history behind all this either…these same psychopathological lunatics created HIV…for a purpose…, they invest in smashing the Universe to pieces in their infantile rages…it would seem that they are spraying substances in the air without our consent…continuing research into nuclear power and concomitant weapons…they are; shysters, warlocks, neoliberal Thelemites, xenophobic monsters, greedy incompetents, child abusers and gene-fiddlers (and that’s just for starters), many might one day be please to be incarcerated by the hand of man in order to avoid the more Old Testament strictures of natural law (at least such is a consummation devoutly to be wished), …

equilibrium

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Yes …do not forgive them Father, for they knew what they were doing.
Ordinary bods who were fooled are in a different boat, that should be allowed to stay afloat :neutral_face:

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Don’t know why I was so resistant to reading this article - I’ve followed several fascinating twatter threads discussing it - - seems this Emily Oster hasn’t really learned anything.

Take this:

When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

This clearly speaks to a shocking dimwittery. The one thing ‘lack[ing]’ which should have been a bright red flag to anybody with even a modicum of sense was the absence of data on the short, medium and long-term effects of the jabs. This imo was the single most startling aspect of the covid bollocks - perhaps exemplified in those interminable tussles with the head honcho on TLN. I still struggle to understand why anybody would be unconcerned about such a crucial matter - but it wasn’t just the blasé dismissals of those misgivings - the aggressive put downs of those sounding a caution, the insults and smears were totally ‘nefarious’ - - we had to endure ridicule from intensely short-sighted fools who were so easily swayed into believing they had something called ‘the science’ on their side. There was no ‘the science’. It seems clear that there was a particularly evil aim - - to call that a ‘misstep’ is naïve in the extreme.

Ultimately Oster offers:

Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up.

Yes people’s health care was severely neglected - that’s another aspect of the crime. In all those daily press conferences with Johnson, Vallance, Witty, Hancock, Harries etc, was there ever any actual genuine health advice imparted? Not that I can recall. Just incessant demands that people continued doing things that impacted negatively on health: mask wearing; staying indoors thus avoiding sunlight and beneficial natural vit D; continuously blathering ones hands with harmful hand-sanitisers…and on…And rather than allowing for a discussion around the whole demented jab-happy routines that have arguably given rise to numerous modern-day maladies, Oster is more concerned about reasserting vigorous jab regimes for children. I find that startling. The criminal venture that was the roll-out of those iffy mRNA jabs really ought to have lent folk some inclination to reappraise the entire notion of jabbing.

Oster ends on this note:

Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward

No! We didn’t make ‘complicated choices’. We were presented with an evident con - on the back of that con a clearly demented supranational body of criminals imposed upon us a series of harmful diktats - any refusal to comply saw individuals scoffed at, ridiculed, and treated in a most oppressive and barbaric manner. As far as I’m concerned the whole thing has been a con - I plaster this wherever I can

Amnesty? No! There needs to be a reckoning. Clearly, that’s no going to happen as any real reckoning would need to see a wholesale sweeping-out of all the individuals/institutions that perpetrated this enormous crime…and barring a worldwide uprising, that’s not going to happen anytime soon.

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This is spectacularly shite on so many levels. K, your quote from the article was followed by ‘That was bad.’ (so Oster thinks the public health community should not have spent time & resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach. [Is that really what you meant luv? Try writing coherent English, you never know, one day you could get a job in Higher Education. . . oh.])

I’m not so sure about Nuremberg 2 (the people who swung after N1 tended to be the Indians while the Chiefs got recruited by the US and USSR military establishments) but then again, in my view, anyone who wielded a syringe is still guilty as hell and needs serving with justice.

If there is to be any forgiveness from us at all it should depend on repentance (sorry to go vicarly but you know what I mean).The evil fuckers and their willing slaves are mostly not about to go there so lets settle for justice eh? Then lets get rid of virology and the rest of junk Rockefeller ‘medicine’. And the disgusting junk media like oh, all of it.

Stop press!: I’ve just read NewSi’s post. Bloody excellent.

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Not having that Si - these bastards are spinning the new official narrative, knowingly, for money. Justice for Oster too please, not pity, not even contempt apt though it be!

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I see two levels of guilt here:

First, there are the actual first grade criminals behind the scam. Gates, Fauci, Tedros, the Black/Guard big money scum, and others.

Then there are the multitudes of grossly derelict of duty, useful-idiot technocrats and medical professionals, who allowed themselves to be swept away by the coordinated propaganda storm, and by their own cowardly unwillingness to face up to the palpable enormity of what was happening, and stand against it; too concerned about career, public status, job, marriage, mortgage, etc. So they swallowed everything they were fed, with doublethink willingness.

I suggest full Nurnberg 2 processing for the perpetrators, whilst the useful-idiots get to confess - publicly - their venal stupidity, accept shame-filled responsibility for it, and apologise.

Those two shows done very publicly together might encourage members of the pampered bourgeoisie who went along to get along to maybe show a bit more spine im thinking with honest courage about ‘the unthinkable’ if anything like this global scam ever turns up again - as it well may. Psychopathic criminal bastards are always with us.

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Jimmy Dore on Oster’s Atlantic drivel:

I would have liked to read that link, but…

Because of French government demands to remove creators from our platform, Rumble is currently unavailable in France. We are challenging these government demands and hope to restore access soon.

I’m now getting the same message on any Rumble page I try to access.

It’s the incredible censorship we’ve seen in recent years that tells you we are dealing with criminal scum.

Oh, and on French matters, we are about to hit the fourth anniversary of the gilets jaunes/yellow vest movement.

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As a postscript, in his first bulletin today Alex Christoforou is pointing out that previous Atlantic pieces have been fake. I’ve no idea if this is true. However, the above Atlantic piece does seem like classic divide and rule stuff - look at how the likes of OffG have piled upon it.

Christoforou also talks about what is going on with the Rumble platform in France, and then he goes on to talk about propaganda in general. For those unfamiliar, the Duran blokes, Alex Christoforou and Alexander Mercouris are both Greeks, and Greece has always had a close relationship with Russia (not least via religion). Also both Duran blokes are very anti-EU. When you look at what the EU did to Greece that is perhaps understandable…

That’s a great response by Rumble to the French cancel culture. However the manipulation is not limited to the French government. For instance, try accessing Leboncoin (the French equivalent of eBay) while using a VPN, even if the country is France. No. no. no. Try accessing Leroy Merlin (the French DIY chain) using a VPN or even without a VPN, using a browser that blocks trackers. No,no.no.

I can’t buy anything online with my French debit card as I refuse to have the Google app installed. Credit Agricole bank uses THREE factor identification. a) Password, then b) they send you a one time code to ones mobile, then c) they need a code entered into a Google app. Sex and travel come to mind.

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I’ve got an account with Credit Mutual Sud-Ouest. I have a similar issue with verification codes, because I don’t have a mobile phone. With CM you only need to do the verification stuff with certain aspects of online banking (I don’t think a Google app is involved). If I have any problems I go to the bank branch and they sort it out. Other than that you can do most things via a hole in the wall machine.

RT also has a livestream on Odysee.com, which I can no longer access from France.

In a similar vein, yesterday David Icke was banned by the EU from its 26 member countries (Icke was due to give a speech at a peace rally in Amsterdam). Whatever one may think of Icke, there’s serious issues of freedom of speech here.

If interested here’s the lizard king talking about it…

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Watched a clip earlier on Zerohedge. He’s barred because he’s on target.

They’re attacking farming in Holland. Second biggest food producer. He rightly points out that shortages create control.

And everything that’s going on is manufactured shortage.

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Manufactured on the short-term level, L, true. But inevitable, systemic and non-negotiable on the longer term Long Descent level.

Scarcity-socialism can deal with the worst that the LD will impose on us; but nothing whatever can cancel or reverse it. When a population-overshoot of too many people - for the time being - are making too many demands on depleting and non-renewable essential resources, the Descent is baked in to our immediate future.

I’ve never looked deeply into what David I really thinks (as distinct from the gross distortions with which the massed liars traduce him), but just about everything he says in this interview sounds pretty reasonable. Except of course for the space-lizards thing. I hope that he means that more as a metaphor than literally.

I seem to remember a story of him having a vision one time, which convinced him of the reality of the lizard thing; but I haven’t looked carefully at it.

The trouble with visions of the paranormal kind is that they can lead the psi-unwary into a constant, and ultimately pointless, merry dance, for the amusement of the Trickster aspect of psi.

Psi research is littered with examples of the unwary being lead into the quicksands in this way. It’s always a good idea to tell Coyote/Trickster/Loki to just sod off, when you suspect you may be getting buggered about like this for his amusement. He just laughs and buggers off, without taking offence. The Yaqui sorcerer don Juan Matus, as reported by Carlos Castaneda, called such refusal to be played with ‘sobriety’. An excellent mind-state for these things.

But all that esoteric rigmarole being said, the lizards apart, I can’t find anything at all non-credible that David says here.

Hear hear!

“…should have been a bright red flag to anybody with even a modicum of sense was the absence of data on the short, medium and long-term effects of the jabs. This imo was the single most startling aspect of the covid bollocks - perhaps exemplified in those interminable tussles with the head honcho on TLN. I still struggle to understand why anybody would be unconcerned about such a crucial matter -…”

That bunch (+lots of others on the left) seemed to be far more concerned that, apparently, there were people, labelled right-wingers and who therefore cannot possibly be trusted, that were against these measures; hence anyone coming to similar conclusions can be dismissed. Dore and his colleague observed the same about Trump’s comments having such an effect on the US scene.

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