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Further evidence on the efficacy of Vitamin D - Chris Martensen

Continuing the discussion from Randomised controlled trial of vit D reduces ICU admission from 50% to 2%:

As usual, Chris remains (in my opinion) by far the best voice on the whole Covid pandemic.

Two important points worth mentioning:

  1. The distinction between SARS-COV-2 (infection with the virus) vs COVID-19 (actually symptomatic illness)
  2. Interesting to see his shift towards Ivermectin++ from previously supporting HCQ++. He believes that Ivermectin is even more effective at treating Covid.

And yet more evidence of vitamin D’s effects from a study of the blood of 190,000 people.

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Amazing. This is the solution. We know how to prevent and treat this problem.

I wish Heneghan of the centre for evidence based medicine emphasized this more.

Instead of stuff like this.

Oh well. We’re all struggling with our blind spots, as RG might say…

Weird isn’t it how massed anecdotals suddenly don’t count as ‘evidence’. Doctors who, for generations, have described anecdotal cases to each other, and thus have built a vast assemblage of pragmatic approaches which have been seen to work, for some reason, whatever it might be, are suddenly disqualified from putting forward their huge aggregated clinical-experience mountain as valid evidence.

This - allegedly-scientific - attitude not only purports to disqualify the accumulated practical, empirical skills of Western doctors, but the even vaster resources of TCM and - in some cases - even of acupuncture. And let’s not even get into the subtleties of homoeopathy, potent - and entirely relevant - placebo effect and all. Which powerful and ever-present effect of course also plays into all the traditional shamanic healing techniques as well: A whole other world - or set of worlds - still to explore.

Must do better, CEBM! Earn your ‘E’ properly! Investigate each therapeutic approach according to its own doctrines, and - most significantly of all - on its outcomes: DO PEOPLE BENEFIT AND GET BETTER? Yes? Then it’s a legitimate therapy. Hippocrates would not have been amused at these exclusions…

PS: Chris should have been in charge at the WHO. His advice to “try everything; and refine and refine; whatever works!” is exactly right, and would have produced a global outcome little worse than an average seasonal flu. But then, he wouldn’t have been on the take, and would have probably wound up the victim of ‘an unfortunate air accident’…

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Chris was a pretty honest and scientific voice throughout. I, for one, followed his analysis from January. We could have used a few more like him!

Ain’t that just how the world seems to work…

Cheers Rhis

I’m coming late (again!) but for what its worth, I think Heneghan is a gatekeeper. The only reason he keeps getting on Sky is he is opposition, but not too much opposition. For instance he bases many of his statements on the assumption that lockdown slows the spread of the virus, nor does he ever question the loss of civil liberties.

Blind spots? More like self preservation to me.

A perfect definition of a figleaf - the occasional dissenter to show to one and all what a fair and open media system we have.

The self-perpetuation of the propaganda model and the 5-Filters!

Excellent comment.
PP

And for the scientists amongst you, a detailed explanation of vitamin D’s role in disease prevention. It moves from that to a 15 year study which produces a “statistically significant” result. All of that is outside the context of Coroni. It then goes on to Covid.

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Thanks @PatB - the evidence is beyond clear now. Incidentally, Seheult’s youtube channel - medcram - is excellent.

I really think a vit-D, ivermectin, doxycycline combo would essentially solve our corona problem…

Cheers