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Why is the Left, even the radical left, silent about covid?

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It is very striking that radical lefties have almost zero to say about the biggest political phenomenon this century - the lock-step implementation of totalitarianism across the world, using sham science (germ theory and ‘vaccination’) as the justification.

The culprits include: Chomsky, MediaLens, TheLifeboatNews (TLN), Caitlin Johnstone

Or worse, some radical lefties, e.g. Galloway, energetically support the fascist narrative (e.g. “I believe in lockdowns!”).

A particularly striking feature of Chomsky is that he is amazingly well-read. I reckon he’s read more books than anyone else on the planet. Now there is tonnes of literature that debunks vaccine ‘science’ and exposes the centuries of its deadly fraud (on holocaust scale). The well-read Chomsky is apparently oblivious of this canon.

Here is Chomsky, yet again, completely silent about covid:

In this piece, he is also strangely silent about Biden’s warmongering. Another striking feature of the piece is that Chomsky is always talking in terms of how big government should be saving people (e.g. from poverty). Yep, government certainly has a vital role, but he calls himself an anarchist, yet makes zero reference to ways and means of self-organisation, methods which are completely independent of government.

There is no excuse for his silence on covid because it is both a science (or ‘science’) question and currently the world’s biggest political question. And Chomsky is a scientist and political-analyst.

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#2

Hi R, Edward Curtin has a similar comment here:

I wonder whether criminal pressure has been exercised by the PTB to muzzle comments, most people could not resist threats against family!

cheers

#3

Noam isn’t infallible, alas, any more than anyone else. He got 11/9 100% wrong, and has stubbornly refused to rethink his ridiculous judgement on that, despite the vast build up of irrefutable evidence that it was a false flag. The absolutely proven fact - as far as anything ever can be, if you’re really true to the basic scientific principle - of the three controlled demolitions makes the false-flag hypothesis unassailable; that alone, even ignoring the reams of other corroborative evidence. But Noam won’t see it and admit his error.

The rule is: NO-ONE is infallible!

As to why so many pols - and of course the great mass of Western mediawhores - have gone along with the swindle: it stumps logic. Apart from odd voices such as Peter Hitchens - who for reasons-given of personal convenience has uncled - virtually no-one of prominence within the Western lamestream has given out any querying scepticism. Mark it down to the power of TDS, I suppose.

#4

Hi Rhis, I don’t disagree about the power of TDS but NC has form, he saw no point in trying to argue the Kennedy assassination plot not just the 9/11 inside job or even demolition by parties unknown plot, so his silence on covid is no surprise.
My reference to direct criminal levers was the only honourable alternative I could think of.

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#5

Oddly, I have this hunch that threats aren’t the main vector of ‘persuasion’ in the covid narrative. Speaking face to face (no anti-social distancing, no masks!!! :laughing:) with a friend about this today, I voiced the idea that there’s something in the zeitgeist of the time which may be responsible. I opined that it can’t just be awkward sods like me and a few others who see that the whole world is moving - irreversibly and unstoppably - into a time of fading prosperity and universal deprivation. For me, that’s a given because of the appalling realities of peak everything, especially peak energy, and the simply unpreventable fading of hitech industrial civilisation which that mandates.

But in times such as these, especially when the subliminal signals have become plentiful enough for just about anyone to pick them up unconsciously, at least, people seem to divide inevitably into those who think we should all take the hit together, and help each other out as best we can on the way; and those who shift at once into devil-take-the-hindmost mode, and see to the heaping up of their own private survival stashes, and to allying themselves fawningly with whichever set of bold chancers who seem as if they will make sure they’re in the ‘lucky’ one percent, by hook or crook; mostly by crook.

The universal avidity with which so many pols, media people and technocrats have leapt aboard the ‘disaster! disaster!’ bandwaggon feels rather like that. They seem scarcely to have needed to be whipped into line. They volunteered, avidly. Maybe their guts sense which way the great currents are running. Why not? We all have the capacity to sense such things, when we choose to listen to it.

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#6

I guess Chomsky might have the excuse, in this case, that he wasn’t asked questions of the type that might elicit such views (only three questions seemed to scaffold the piece unless I miscounted).

There may have been more questions, and who knows maybe the chance to challenge covid orthodoxy, but those sections were spiked.

I doubt it though, and in any case someone with as big a reputation as he, with no job to lose, etc, could easily speak out, and find a platform… but he would have been guilty-by-association as a Trump-enabler, wouldn’t he…?

Wasn’t/isn’t the whole covid thing hung on a really simple hook: “you’re for us (nice liberal considerate mask wearing Democrat/Lefty types)… or you’re against us (i.e. a selfish Right-wing covid-denying anti-masker gammon etc etc)”?

A menu with two options. Like/dislike. Zero or one. If { … } else { … }

European intellectuals haven’t necessarily taken many more risks but Giorgio Agamben was an exception. See:

As for Galloway imagine coming seventh in an election won by Sadiq Khan… He was more convincing as Rula Lenska’s cat

#7

I think many on the left sincerely believe it is a serious disease that must, if we want to survive it, be tackled by the whole of society. The most vulnerable in particular must be cared for, so we should all make some sacrifice to help them. And if we had only invested properly in the NHS (which the Tories with their austerity neglected or even destroyed), we would not have killed so many people. That seems to be the narrative. What strikes me about it is

(1) any counternarrative (eg that covid is perhaps not so deadly; lockdown is not the reason for the decrease in cases; masks don’t work etc. is dismissed as “right-wing” conspiracy
(2) the complete abscence of concern for huge damage done to society by the draconian measures
(3) the massive increase in police and state powers which are unlikely to be given up
(4) the unmistakably clear support by the global elite for lockdown measures (when the last thing they care about is the masses).

(2) in particular should be problematical for anyone on the left as it’s especially the poorest who suffer most. And for the more radical left, I would have thought (3) and (4) would give pause for thought.

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#8

You might think so, W. It’s a measure of the ‘success’ of the Terror Derangement Syndrome strategy that so many allegedly radical minds have been stampeded into grovelling obedience to the ludicrous covid diktats. The gics and their servitors amongst the bossy technocrat class must feel that Christmas has come. And no, they won’t volunteer to give up their enhanced exploitation control over the rest of us. That will have to be removed forcibly.

#9

So, as usual, I’m late to this thread. But two thoughts here.

First, Chomsky. Some of us have called him a gatekeeper for many years. Outspoken, thought provoking, clear and concise, except, not on the really big issues. 11/9 is one example. His position now on Coroni, just makes my case more probable.

Then, on the issue of failure of the left, it’s the media. Sadly, too many on the “left” still read the Guardian and watch the BBC. I think I’ve related this before but here goes. My younger sister, brought up in a highly politicised and activist family, a Jeremy Corbyn supporter, a member of Momentum, a pro-Palestinian activist, and womens rights campaigner, and plenty of high tech access to alternative media, has TDS. She sent me a picture a while back. Her and her husband were visited by their son and daughter in law. The entire visit, they were sat in the garden (winter), two frigging meters apart! But, they read the Guardian and watch the BBC! The son works for the BBC and every time I see him I ask “Are you still working for the dark side?” He thinks I’m joking.

It’s the power of the propoganda, and Chomsky should know all about that.

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#10

Indeed RG, the fear mongering has been very successful. Partly I think it’s also due to the fact that, as a society (and I include much of the `priviliged’ world), we’ve become averse to the natural world. It exists for touristic purposes, or BBC documentaries, but otherwise is seen as dangerous or dirty, especially insects and micro-organisms. The large array of killer sprays and other “cleansing” products in shops show this. Ads always portray humans as separate from nature which must be kept at bay using “hand-sanitizer”.

I agree PatB that the Guardian and BBC have a stronghold over much of the left. But it is surprising at places like TLN where this is clearly not the case. As for Chomsky, I’ve always held him in high regard but ever since his position on events in Libya and Syria I feel less sure of his judgement. Maybe it’s old age, or the influence of friends?

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#11

Hi @Rippon

sorry for wading in here very late. This is a complex topic, and I’d be interested to explore it - especially as I’m the one in a minority on this board :wink:. The first thing I’m curious about, though, is this:

Is germ theory really “sham science”? And is that necessarily a “leftist” position? I notice that Cuba is making great strides in it’s own homegrown vaccine (The scene from Cuba: How it's getting so much right on COVID-19).

It’s not obvious to me that germ-theory or vaccinations per se are left/right issues.

The second point that I would say is that there are a group of left leaning folks (myself included) who are leaning heavily towards the advice from the Independent SAGE team. Financially supported quarantines, community driven track and trace etc. which, had they been followed, would have avoided almost all the lockdowns. For some reason, such proposals get short shrift here (and places like off-guardian) in the rush to show that there is no pandemic, no virus, no problem at all, and the whole thing is a scam. Personally, I don’t think ignoring all the evidence in front of our eyes, is necessarily a leftist position.

There needs to be a more nuanced discussion all round, I think.

Cheers
PP

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#12

I didn’t suggest that rejecting the science (or ‘science’) should be the leftist position.

I said that the leftist position is to challenge establishment narratives.

Many radical lefties are not doing that at all regarding covid.

For example, Galloway expresses near-zero concern about the totalitarian restrictions on life.

What “evidence in front of our eyes” are you referring to?

By a certain way of looking at things, there is tonnes of ‘direct evidence’ that, for example:

  • The earth is flat.

  • Saddam possessed WMD.

  • Labour under Corbyn was institutionally antisemitic.

  • …

  • plenty more examples

Now, you will say, correctly, that the evidence was illusory; it simply seemed like evidence because the viewer adopted a certain perspective and frame-of-reference (that frame being widely corroborated msm narrative).

But you apparently reject the notion that the same game-plan could be in play now.

I think leftist people reject that notion because they cannot accept the notion that a conspiracy to deceive could work with such good synchronicity across the whole world. They reject it because, to entertain that notion would put them in Icke territory (world government that transcends national governments) - and they have already invested many years in cultivating a respectable image of themselves.

Here’s some simple, first-principle facts that demonstrate that there is zero justification for any of the measures.

  • Total UK mortality for 2020 is not significantly different to previous years.

  • The ‘covid-logic’ means, not only that we should be doing masks-lockdowns-vaccines for the rest of eternity but, that we should have been doing that for many preceding decades because the flu virus is also a big killer.

  • There is tonnes of unassailable academic literature that demonstrates there is zero evidence that vaccines have made any significant contribution to public health, and plenty of evidence of the harm (including death) that they have caused.

  • There is a new ninja variant out there, coming to get us. This demonstrates that the virus-threat fear narrative is a dictator’s golden gift, one that keeps giving.

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#13

Hi @rippon

Thanks for the reply. I’m still curious as to whether you think that germ theory is sham science. Or vaccinations for that matter. Personally I don’t think that we should be so quick to dismiss that, and again, I don’t feel this is a left/right issue. Cuba and Russia were quick to develop vaccines, and whatever other treatments they could to protect their citizens from Covid after all. Treatments and vaccines are presumably based on the germ theory of disease? Perhaps not - I’m not very knowledgeable about biology.

It is important because it cuts to the heart of what different people think about the various narratives at play, and is relevant as to whether someone will critique a narrative or not. I would separate out the fact of the spreading virus and its attendant illness, from the fact of the Government response to the virus and call those two separate discussions. I’m more inclined to frame discussion of the response to the virus in a left/right light than I am to frame the question of whether there is actually a virus at all.

I’m talking about eyewitness reports from hospitals around the world. Multiple doctors and nurses discussing unprecedented sickness and death tolls where they work (including some doctors and nurses I know personally), morgues overflowing, excess deaths for 2020 being off the charts in badly hit countries etc. etc. etc. Quite a lot when you look at it all.

In fact I would argue that we are in the opposite situation to that of the WMD in Iraq fabrication. In that case, try as they might, no one was able to find any evidence of WMD. In this case you’re tripping over evidence coming out of every country and city and hospital that has been hit.

Maybe. Or maybe they (like myself) have yet to see a single piece of evidence for a conspiracy that survives basic scrutiny. I am quite willing to believe in a global conspiracy - for example the nonsensical war on terror, or the various Russian hacking stories, but in those cases I see clear evidence of conspiracy.

Before we go into details on the list of your first-principle facts, I would ask what narrative you think these facts are supporting? Are you of the belief that there is no pandemic? Do you think that Covid is not a dangerous virus that is killing millions of people around the world?

I think we if separate out the question of whether there is, in fact, a virus causing widespread sickness and death, from the efforts various governments have made to supposedly tackle this issue, we might have quite an interesting discussion.

Cheers
PP

#14

I don’t have any significant science knowledge myself.

I’m not sure about ‘germ theory’; not sure whether ‘vaccines are sham science’ equates to ‘germ theory is sham science’; but, by now, I am totally (or near-totally) persuaded that vaccines are indeed sham science.

Maybe that equivalence does apply. Thomas Cowan, in his ‘Contagion Myth’, says (Chap1) this:

“He [Louis Pasteur] admitted that the whole effort to prove contagion was a failure, leading to his deathbed confession: “The germ is nothing; the terrain is everything.” In this case, terrain refers to the condition of the animal or person and whether the animal or person had been subject to poison.”

Certainly not a quick dismissal of vaccines on my part, but after having read material from these sources, for example:

  • ‘Plague of Corruption’
  • ‘Dissolving Illusions’
  • ‘Vaccines: Medical Fraud’
  • ‘Invisible Rainbow’
  • ‘Vaccines are Dangerous and Don’t Work’

And there are loads of doctors, scientists and websites that expose the nonsense/danger of vaccines.

This might be an appropriate analogy regarding the nonsense of vaccines …

The Japanese are amongst the healthiest (e.g. longevity) people on the planet. Yet hardly any of them go to the gym. The reason why is because large amounts of walking is an intrinsic part of their lifestyle. Now, a fitness entrepreneur, in partnership with some local councils, could establish a chain of hi-tech gyms to improve public health in Japan. Alternatively, councils could pursue the cheaper more natural path of investing more in parks and paths. If the new gym chain does attract any customers, then those customers might well see big improvements in their health. But the parks-and-paths investment route would be the more efficient, natural one.

Analogously, to combat a new virus, entrepreneurial big-pharma could invest in creating a new jab to boost people’s immunity. Alternatively, councils could clamp down on retailers selling processed food and industrialists polluting air and water, and they could invest in schemes (e.g. public education) that promote immunity-boosting healthy lifestyles (e.g. more parks and recreation, organic food). The jab might boost the immunity of some, but the healthy lifestyle investment route would be the more efficient, natural one.

You say there is tonnes of evidence of a covid pandemic. But in mainstream media, the only evidence presented is stats, which are entirely untrustworthy. It is particularly striking that no channel has aired any personal testimonies of patients themselves, or their relatives, talking about their agonising time before someone passes away. Such people would be imploring us to embrace masks-lockdowns-jabs because they don’t want anyone else to suffer what they have. The msm clearly wants us to believe in masks-lockdowns-jabs; with pandemic-level casualties, it should be easy for them to run such stories every week. Why are there no interviews from morgues? - which again would be gold for journalists wanting to persuade us of the seriousness of the threat.

Never mind morgues (very grim), why no weekly updates from doctors on the frontline? All we get is regular tedious ‘updates’ from the stooges in Downing Street.

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#15

I’m late again! @rippon and @PontiusPrimate

I’m only going to comment on the left versus right discussion. So here goes. It’s my opinion, not based on any research, only personal experience and observation, that those on the “left”, are more likely to question. They are also more likely to deviate from the mainstream narrative, forge their own path, probably because of their questioning and perhaps critical thinking ability.

If I’m correct (and I’m not saying I am), then perhaps they should have, as I did right at the beginning, questioned how so many governments around the world did exactly the same thing at the same time? Then ask isn’t the WHO part of the UN and if so, why is it taking money from Kill Gates? And if one goes down that rabbit hole (which any decent journo should do), you get to things like-

  • Rockerfeller Lock Step Document
  • Event 201
  • Maybe even watch the David Icke interviews (as discredited as he may appear, his interviews on London Real showed him as intelligent, informed, and completely rational)
  • Or maybe even “follow the money”

But most of the “left” did not do anything like that. The left (again, my opinion) has been continuously emascualted since the days of Margaret Thatcher. First, weaken the Unions. Then weaken by co-opting the “left” politicians to organisations like The Friends of Israel :yawning_face:. Then weaken the Labour Party. And now what’s left of the “left”, still think the Guardian is a “left” newspaper, the Labour Party is our lifeline, Google has all the answers, and they have lost their ability to question the propoganda that the BBC spews every single day in more and more subtle ways. Not surprising they support the Covid narrative.

Not surprising to me that the “left” is absent in life changing events.

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#16

Firstly, hello all. I’ve been lurking since you created this place, and lurked (still do occasionally) at TLN.

Some interesting posts here, but I’d like to stick to the original topic (if possible).

The silence is easily explained.

There is no left. Nor is there a right. It is top and bottom.

I first became aware of this because of Brexit. Brexit flipped everything up into the air. It didn’t make sense. So called leftwingers behaving incredibly entitled and selfish. Rightwingers thinking as a group.

The lockdown has given me plenty of time to mull over the realities.

We are all selfish. Every last one of us. Granted, it varies in scale, but I’ve never met anyone who endlessly puts others before themselves. How many times have you seen a Guardian comment whining about what they lost due to the referendum? They don’t even begin to contemplate what drove others (apart from simple put downs such as racism). Keeping up with the Jones’s is the game nearly all of us play.

Most people have bought the facade. Self preservation is kicking in, and like rats, they will climb on top of each other in an attempt to survive. To get to the top.

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#17

Welcome @LocalYokel - it’s nice to have you posting here! (I’ll have something more relevant to say after I’ve made some coffee…)

Cheers
PP

#18

Describes it pretty accurately, Pat. Just as we’re lumbered with an ex-Labour party now, attempting to usurp the votes of millions of de-facto disenfranchised Brits, so we have an ex-Left, which used at one time to be strongly founded on the interests and aspirations of the authentic working class, we common plebs, (hence ‘Labour’!) but which is now a sort of niche or hobby party for unigrad deserters of their plebeian forebears, and which is dedicated only to furthering the interests of the arriviste bourgeois technocrat class (and sod all those ghastly Red Wall proles!).

Since that pushes most of these nichers to be little more than tory-lite thinkers, the overt tory party is where they really belong. Ex-Labour, like the remnantary and largely irrelevant Libdems, are the mouldering residue in Paedominster of what used to be the Left. The sooner they vanish from politics - through natural starvation and withering - the sooner a proper counterbalancing mass party - such as Labour threatened to become under Corbyn - can come into being and start gathering support from that substantial part of the electorate who have no representation in Paedominster currently.

Clearly, too, it should be a party which inserts into its very founding constitution the commitment to destroying the execrable FPTP sham-democracy that we suffer now, to be replaced with proper PR. Not a cure-all, but a substantial step in the right direction. It is creeping into Britain slowly, through the partly-PR examples of the national parliaments of Cymru and Alba, and the local parliament of the raj-occupied territory of Eire. But of course, Paedominster, which, through the official Tory party, is essentially the political wing of the self-perpetuating, ever-ruling English-raj class, continues to arrogate to itself the bulk of the key, central powers of government - including, as it’s now conniving to do, the removal of even the boutique level of power that the Scottish parliament has under the present dispensation. (Cymru, of course, has even less than Scotland, the independence tendency is still small, and thus the Caerdydd parliament can be ignored safely - for the moment…)

Johnson’s keepers amongst the raj don’t like even the Scottish level of independent sovereignty amongst (what’s left of) their imperial provinces. Clearly, they’re scheming to use the current pandemic scam, amongst other ploys, to destroy as much as they can of it right now. Bozo, of course, in his idle, studiously amoral and incompetent way, is fully on board with anything he and his cabinet buddies think they can get away with in that matter.

The key takeaway idea is that the raj loathe the commons, and fear us, and are perennially determined to keep us bamboozled, divided and quiescent for ever - if we let them. This they have been doing for generations, here in Britain and in many other places. They continue to run the phantom of the previous English empire through the global criminal activities of the City, and this socio-politico-economic racketeering is still inflicted on Britain too, as a matter of course, to maintain raj power, anti-democratically and indefinitely.

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#19

Welcome @LocalYokel from another relative n00b. Endorse that absolutely, though I doubt I would have done 5 years ago. Clinging to that ‘Left’ identity seemed so crucial to my sense of Self.

Happily I have finally grasped that there is no enduring Self and therefore nothing to cling to. It reduces suffering… but this is very old news.

The pack of rats metaphor is very appropriate but at an individual level these highly intelligent little critters are capable of affection, empathy, and self-sacrifice. Our brethren in whining Grauniad-land are downright vicious. Punching firmly downward but careful with their pronouns…

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#20

PS: Welcome, Local Y!! :slight_smile: