Taiwan not included on Pelosi’s travel list:
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yes, it’s becoming clearer by the day it’s a media scripted psy op
I hope you’re right E’man but it seems like much more than that to me. Some interesting analysis here at MoA quoting a Chinese language expert:
How China Warns Of Pelosi’s Taiwan Trip
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/07/how-china-warns-of-pelosis-taiwan-trip.html
"Don’t say we didn’t warn you" The Global Times article linked to in the MoA piece above:
Alexander Mercouris take on the situation from yesterday 31st July. (China: the first 90 secs and then 35 mins to 62 mins. Ukraine: from 90 secs - 35 mins).
Russia Readies Knock Out Blow in Donbass, China Strongest Warnings as Pelosi Mulls Trip to Taiwan
Edit - Oops forgot link:
I strongly suspect that it is a psy op - the media has a script alright, but it’s given to them - just like all the actors are given a script - - and they will read that script with 100% conviction, even if it flatly contradicts something they said just an hour earlier.
It all seems so slapstick!
Recall when G W Bush was notionally at the US helm, and he had that spat with his Chinese counterpart (Jintao / Jinping? - can’t remember the actor’s name) - it played quite loud in the MSM because the Chinese fellow was saying, ‘George Bush, shut up - we have a very big army and we’ll kick your puny arse big time’ - - of course, I’m paraphrasing there - I can’t find any ref to this spat online - - does anybody recall it?
Anyroad, there was fear amongst those ‘paying attention’ that something might kick-off - - and isn’t it always the case that we schlubs are ever worried that something might kick-off?! And of course, things do kick-off - - the wargame is always playing - it never stops, war is just another tool in the box of State mechanisms for keeping us stressed and in fear - - it’s that groaning ‘Table’ from which none of the ‘options’ are ever removed. Can you visualise that ‘Table’? Its top is a black and white checker pattern - yes, the Grand Chessboard of yore - - perhaps we didn’t notice it so readily in the past because the creatures manipulating the pieces were fairly skilled players - - nowadays of course the players are utterly shit - really very clumsy - they haven’t even learned the basic ‘rules’ of the game, and have only the slenderest grasp of the lingo - - true, the ‘rules’ were always fluxful - hell, they make them up as they go along - but being somewhat skilled with the attendant lingo, it was easier to pull the wool over folks’ eyes. But the low, low grade status of today’s players (Truss - nuff said) sees the Grand Chessboard more resembling an unruly game of checkers played amongst bratty children…the board is so covered in jelly, and blancmange, spilt fizzy pop, crisp and bun crumbs, and the snot and dribblings of the cack-handed infants at play, it’s difficult to determine which way the game might go - - it might explode at any time, as it has so often in the past, to the extent that westerners really feel the pain - - the actors don’t mind that - if they’re given a script which brings about a scenario where millions in the west are ripped to shreds by bomb and bullet, then they’d read that script without compunction.
In view of the decades of apparent western goading of Iran, Russia and China, I reckon if these states truly were independent players then something would have kicked-off by now.
I really do think that they are ALL in it together.
I don’t think that’s true. Russia and China are far more powerful now than they were, say, 30 years ago and are able to stand up to a weak and collapsing US. As well as this they are firmly united. There comes a time when everyone gets pissed off with being shoved around
Like this you mean?
The Kennedy assassination has demonstrated that most of the major events of world significance are masterfully planned and orchestrated by an elite coterie of enormously powerful people who are not of one nation, one ethnic grouping, or one overridingly important business group. They are a power unto themselves for whom those others work. Neither is this power elite of recent origin. Its roots go deep into the past.” Fletcher Prouty (1992)
Saker: Nancy braves the Chinese dragon and wins?
By Andrei:
Yes, very much like that - I reckon there is an intergenerational force (IF) for whom the Earth is a plaything - I don’t think they have a particular allegiance to any part of Earth or any particular group/s of people thereon (except of course themselves) - - often, when expressing this opinion, people begin to hector and demand that one identifies that IF - they witheringly say: ‘oh, you mean the illuminati…groan’…‘you’re referring to Jews, aren’t you…anti semite’…etc etc I stopped speculating about the identity of the IF years ago, finding it suffice to say that it seems clear enough that there is some dark hand at play ensuring that groups of people around the world find themselves at loggerheads, armed to the teeth, and prepared to slaughter, and slaughter, and slaughter. We know that sick individuals abound, and that they derive pleasure from inflicting the sickest and most barbaric acts upon defenceless individuals - I reckon the IF are exemplars in that regard - truly depraved beyond belief.
Rich, you don’t think I’m right about Russia and China - - of course, I may be wrong. But I just don’t find the geopolilitics as it plays-out very convincing. For the last 20 years in earnest the verbal spats between the US and China have been incessant - kept simmering, if you like - that in turn keeps us in a state of anxiety and fear - - I doubt it’d be any great shakes for them to bring it to the boil and confect a full-blown conflagration if they thought that was necessary for them to the retain full-spectrum control that I reckon they have. It seems increasingly the case that the west is attempting to assert a total-control matrix on its populations - the model of which would appear to be the Chinese system. The quarrels between the US and China appear to me to be quite comical - isn’t it the case that China owns over 1trillion in US treasury bonds, and isn’t it said that should China choose to it could simply dump those bonds and sink the US economy overnight?? If US and China truly are the sworn enemies we are lead to believe they are, then why has China not dumped the US bonds it holds?
This Pelosi in Taiwan business is something to behold - I’ve heard operatives in the MSM talking about it - talking about ‘Madam Speaker’ as though she’s a serious person who has every right to visit the ‘independent’ Taiwan - - nowhere is it asserted that the woman is evidently incapable of uttering a single coherent sentence, so there’s no reason to believe that her business in that country has anything to do with responsible diplomacy - rather, it’s clear that the woman is there on some kind of shit-stirring mission - - designed I believe to give the impression that ‘China is sabre-rattling’ with threats to blow her plane out of the sky…etc etc - and that another world war is merely a twitchy figer away.
I don’t believe that any of it is organic - it’s all manufactured with the aim of terrorising the world population.
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Egregores? Please say more @NewSi this is fascinating stuff which I’m increasingly persuaded is credible. It’s not as if Old Testament sources didn’t warn us. (I’m about 90 pages into The Moses Legacy @GKH btw, and it’s a real education.)
The Nancy’s Sleepover thing has been the jape of the summer. Stay tuned because I gather a group of MPs will be jetting over there soon, to defend democracy or something equally puerile. Tom Tugendhat at the helm, and this will give Liz Truss something else to posture about.
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I’d be more inclined to believe there are multiple groups. One may be more powerful or spread out, but competition is certain. There will not be one controlling group.
As for the noise from various countries, I’d be inclined to believe that it’s how Russia deals with deals and propaganda. They don’t care what you say if they walked away the winner in the deal. After all, the domestic crowd is different.
On the subject of domestic crowds, it may backfire in China if what you described is true. Seems the Chinese population is absolutely pissed. Comments have been closed on Chinese MSM. The people are too angry was the reason given for closure. As CCP depends on pleasing the population (there are factions everywhere), we may see a reaction unlike what was planned by the club’s/cartels (how do you describe these shady groups?).
One other thing to consider, the kit moved by China has been absolutely incredible. Trains, beaches, roads etc. They have equipment everywhere. That costs money. And it’s a lot of money to spend on willy waggling as the wife would say
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There is indeed N. It’s called Homo Sapiens Sapiens. The whole, war-addicted species. And no, that name isn’t a piss-take. The people who bestowed it really meant it! 
My guesstimate is that there is indeed a loose coterie of footlose over-rich clowns who feel no particular allegiance to any nation/ethnic-group; not more, anyway, than their addictive allegiance to their own WealthPowerStatus fixes.
But alongside those schmucks, there are the nationalist power-wielder factions based in particular territories, and tending to be serious patriots - as well as being dedicated also to their own WPS, within the state.
I don’t estimate that the nationalists are in on the footloose lot’s globalist scam. The nearest they’re likely to come to that is if Russia and China, rising solidly as the Anglozionist empire falls, will in their turn enter imperialist periods in their near-future histories, and - as the Swampies have attempted, and failed, to do - they will try for world domination; both of them, falling out in the process. The temptations of imperialism - international armed-robbery, mass-murder and enslavement, to give it its proper description - are always with us
I think everyone in the world, behind all the idiotic knee-jerk ‘cospithirry!’ conditioned-reflex, knows perfectly well that conspiracies are a real part of human life, and they happen all the time. People get convicted for them, and get swatted accordingly by the courts, regularly. Of course conspiracies are real; everyone knows that perfectly well.
The only real question about them is which are authentic realworld scams, and which are just cloud-cuckoo-land fantasies. Disentangling the real ones from the moonshine is the critical discrimination that’s needed.
I tend to feel - and that’s all it is; open to persuasion - that the Illuminati Syndrome is a fanatasy; but there exist genuinely non-patriotic free-floating internationals who would love to create a global dictatorship; but they’re up against the patriotic factions, which have the power of their own rank-and-file people behind them. Popular patriotism seems to me to be a perennial and powerful emotion, universally, and the footloose gics will have an impossible job trying to overthrow it.
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Yay, war with China, with Russia, with Serbia, and on and on.
I’m just baffled that people still take these psychopaths seriously, when the psychopaths can’t even be bothered to take care of their own people.
But there you go.
I know Carlson, like many others, has an agenda. But this is quite a shocking video. Am American is telling the truth (well, most of it anyway).
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That was a good summary of how zealotry leads people into very dangerous places.
Some US opinion seems to be that poking sticks at China plays well with wavering voters and might help the Democratic Party in upcoming elections. In other words it’s just Punch And Judy for domestic consumption. Carlson’s interviewee calls it posing/posturing.
If the only indication you have of how someone, or some corporate entity, intends to behave in future is their current outward behaviour and their prior patterns of behaviour, then that is what will influence the outside observer. Private phone calls saying it’s just some panto for the plebs, Xi, don’t worry, ain’t gonna cut it. Individuals who repeatedly threaten other people and use violence often, alas not always, end up in life imprisonment. That is where the political classes belong, starting with the US.
Am seeing that Pelosi’s husband has been investing heavily in Chinese media tech companies. That’s gone. Quite a painful loss for kayfabe.
Then there is the list of 7 different arrangements that the Chinese have dropped with America, and that George Floyd statement too
Finally there’s Taipai. No sand. That’s going to hurt all of us. And they’ve seen how it’ll happen. A blockade
Sorry for the delay, K. I must admit that I had to look-up Egregores - I found it very interesting - - would you say that’s something akin to a herd mentality? Groups of people acting as one - - I recall the funeral of Kevin Brady at Milltown Cemetery in 1988 - - 2 British soldiers blundered into the cortege and the car they were in was surrounded by mourners - - when one of the soldiers discharged his gun from inside the car, aerial footage of the incident showed the mourners response, as they en masse moved away from the car and then converged back on it - a herd instinct.
In my view of the evil doers of today I don’t see them acting as a herd/group in an instinctive manner per se (beyond a natural desire to nest feather), as each individual has plenty of time to ponder what it is they are doing - - remember that old notion that we can distinguish between right and wrong…well nowadays I don’t think people can.
Old TLNers may recall that I often fell out with the poster West Virginia - but there is one very simple comment WV posited that I value greatly: ‘something has been done to people’! Something indeed has been done to people - it seems that many people never reach a stage of development where they can distinguish right from wrong - good from evil. Just to give one example of how people (children really, as they turn them when they’re young - - it’s a more sure fire way of increasing the psychopath quotient), and I am sorry to mention Ian Hislop here - but I heard him on Marcus Brigstock’s ‘I’ve Never Seen Star Wars’ last evening - the premise of the show is that guests have to try things they’ve never experienced - one of Hislop’s trials was to play the game, Grand Theft Auto - like any right-minded person he found the game revolting - - well it may seem like something of a stretch, but I’d say that stimuli such as GTA (Tour of Duty…etc) are part of the reason evil in this world appears to be so evident and escalating to horrendous proportions - - ‘something has been done to people’ - and the doing isn’t done - - the toxicity of ‘debate’ nowadays is shocking - - in fact people don’t ‘debate’ - it’s all hectoring and shouting - - I tried a year or so back to talk about the C19 bollocks to a friend - on paper he is incredibly smart - but could he hear what I was saying - NO, because he literally put his fingers in his ears and started making noises to drown-out my utterings - he just simply could not bear to hear me. That’s where we seem to be - we’re at a juncture where the notion of rational ‘debate’ is a thing of yore.
Sorry it’s a bit limp and tepid
Very briefly, Rhis - I don’t agree - I really don’t think humans are war-addicted in any natural sense - the martial mentality is part of that thing that ‘has been done to people’. I reckon humans have been so wrenched from our natural environment and mindset that we nowadays simply don’t understand who and what we are, or could be if we could only rid ourselves of the inhuman’s yoke.
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Absolutely not. I think puttering around the edges of truth, if that even means anything, is all we can safely do. So here’s a bit more 
I don’t have any great wisdom to offer on egregores but will be reading around the subject. I think maybe a collective consciousness or mass formation generates an energy. Egregores supposedly feed on this. It sounds very like the sort of thing Jung touched upon, and Erich Fromm in The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness (which I’m halfway through). If I meditate with a group of other people it feels different, somehow more powerful, than sitting alone.
Herd mentality, or mimesis/contagion, are other words for this I think. People can think as individuals and as ‘parts’ of something larger, even at the same time: our bicameral minds can think AND observe that thinking. We can act without thinking too, or perhaps more accurately in a highly distracted way.
Mass formations are not necessarily a sinister thing, fellow feeling can be very noble,
and being part of the crowd when your favourite team is doing well is a fine feeling. This is easily exploitable though. And people are always keen to get another hit of that fine feeling. Gaming exploits this.
I’ve never seen Star Wars but vaguely recall seeing one or two episodes of I’ve Never Seen Star Wars. My sons both played GTA, the older and more ‘intellectual’ was quite into it for a while. (The younger tends to flit about and not get immersed in quite the same way.) He’s still a big gamer and one he plays now seems to be a Wild West version of GTA where wandering around stealing horses and shooting people takes the place of wandering around stealing cars and shooting people. Which is vile, but it’s the systems of reward and steadily increasing stakes that hook people. This is evident in the Candy Crush and collecting unicorns games aimed at the very young too. As you said: “they turn them when they’re young”.
I gather that the latest GTA will offer more feminised user experience, whatever that is supposed to mean. More female/trans characters with gats and 'Raris I guess.
Darren Allen likens these games to porn, in the sense that they condition people to think of themselves and others as objects.
Si, I too think that humans left to live in little self-reliant sub-Dunbar-number groups, in the great wilderness, with plenty of empty, unpopulated (with humans) space to vanish into when necessary, will mostly be peaceable, hospitable to passing strangers, and generally the naturally tolerant and generous way we like to think of ourselves.
The problems seem to arise when people start living in swarms, in cities, and doing settled agriculture to feed the large numbers. That always seems to bring out different behaviours in hom-sap, not at all like the easy-going behaviours of gatherer-hunters living in an apparently limitless Garden of Eden.
Whatever the reason, there’s no denying that, by some motivation, our species has been chronically committed to wars and the preparation for wars, for several thousand years at least, since the Agrarian Revolution began spreading from its - mutliple - birth-places; and possibly for some time preliminary to that.
I think it’s all triggered by population-density thresholds, which simply switch us onto alternative behaviour suites, as we pass up through the thresholds. And it gets worse, the bigger the population-overshoot balloons, as it has in recent decades: hence the sense of some new evil in the world, perhaps…?
Maybe. But living in the present is to live inside reality. Building up a surplus, and worrying that someone might steal it, but in any case having too much time on one’s hands… The devil will find work for idle hands to do.
Some of the massive Neolithic projects like Silbury and Avebury may simply have been about “doing” in a purposive way. The end result was a marvellous achievement but the collective effort, and no doubt much wassailing and feasting along the way, must have been excellent social cement. I say this as a dedicated grumpy misanthrope, bear that in mind 
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Morning Si. I’m not saying your wrong - I’m not sure if you’re right or wrong. I’m conflicted on the issue and this has been bugging me for a long time. I have great faith in Fletcher Prouty’s revelations and his quote I posted above supports what you’re saying I think.
I’ve been reading these two very interesting but long articles by Cynthia Chung (posted further below and well worth reading if you have the time) which rely on FP a fair bit. Allen Dulles had powerful connections with the Nazis before, during and after WW2 and had enormous influence on how the CIA developed since 1947 and what it became. Sometimes I get the feeling that there’s something missing in all of this and that Dulles was actually working for the benefit of persons unknown. i.e.not just the US elite and their push for global hegemony but perhaps the group of people FP was talking about. (Well, no shit Sherlock!)
On the other hand it seems we now have the world being split between the western globalists that appear to have lost the plot and the “sovereignists” Russia and China, BRICS etc:
Cynthia Chung:
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