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The WHO - Countries should stop using lockdown as main means of coronavirus control

Nuanced message from the WHO… David Nabarro on Andrew Neil’s Spectator TV programme {he appears 15m in}.

Interesting discussions, leaving out nitty-gritty fundamental issues - like the usefulness of the PCR test, treatments that might make The Virus less dangerous, and the effect of nutritional status of the populations on its severity.
[I realize that these omissions might cause many to stop reading, but there’s really not enough room in the living room for all those elephants :slightly_smiling_face:]

Nabarro said we are still in the early days of this coronavirus. And that countries should stop using lockdown as main means of coronavirus control.

This message is being quoted as a U-turn by the WHO on lockdowns but Nabarro didn’t say the first lockdowns were wrong. He stressed that lockdown only serves one purpose - to give a bit of breathing space, to build up Test, Trace, Isolate regime, through local organisation.

It might look like a hasty tweak but doesn’t invalidate the idea of the first lockdowns, however appallingly carried out in some countries. It’s vital, Nabarro said, to use that breathing space to build up useful networks and resources to check the spread of the virus.

Reading between the lines you can conclude Nabarro is saying that many western countries didn’t do that. Eight months on the UK still haven’t got T+T beyond the ‘shambles’ stage.

He said Germany were doing pretty well, and parts of Canada too. Looking at the numbers, this only seems true by comparison - Germany with western Europe and Canada with North America (meaning with the US?).
The Canada comment may have been stressing localised approach - if so, it’s all a bit subtle!

Western Europe was not quite there yet he said - but could get there, or something like that (meaning what - extinct populations? :slight_smile: ).
Ya don’t say…western Europe and the US have dominated the virus numbers! If you took them out, the pandemic numbers might struggle to beat the flu ones. Just sayin’…

He didn’t say how to do testing; in the UK it’s arguably the failure of existing testing has led to Lockdown second time around!
He also said lockdown could double world poverty and child malnutrition in a year.

Not a very strong message, consistent with ‘useful if you read between the lines’ and also with ‘gaslighting in both directions’. But probably the WHO are concerned about lockdown as a lever for politicians to push and pull at will.

Good question from Andrew Neil. How did Asia do it?

Nabarro: Asia its got public onside NOT JUST through topdown pressure; distancing and masking. It got people on board from the beginning. (That aspect probably is not so easy in the west)
Developed public health capacity like a honeycomb across the community, knew where people were ill.
They worked out they needed to keep their hospitals open not just for covid.
Didn’t muck around - went into readiness super fast. Got on with what needed to be done (Unlike…?).

It’s hugely important to act early. Aimed at the UK and the western Europe? Maybe he’s also on Australian TV saying it’s vital not to overdo the measures.

There were other contributions, a mayor or two talking about the lack of communication with the North of England which was leading to their outspoken criticisms.

Just some more snippets:

Here’s a strange quote on from James Forsyth on the 12bn spent on T+T

“That’s more than TWO aircraft carriers”.

Well, maybe he’s spent too long in ResPublica

Mayor of Middlesboro said 82% of cases arising from socializing at home. No idea what he meant by that other than don’t close the pubs.

Interesting graph shown by another crew member

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Needs to be looked at carefully…aren’t education and restaurants workplaces? But hospitals not featuring much.

Govt not communicating with the north at much, just telling them what to do.

Nabarro, who had been clamouring to be brought back in, stressed the importance of Local Integrated Responses. Factories, community organisations, churches etc.

WHO chief says herd immunity approach to pandemic ‘unethical’

Quite a narrow path being laid out for governments, then, by the WHO recently. Don’t just lock down, but don’t expect herd immunity to save your position, either.
That’s scuppered Boris’s two main ideas, then :neutral_face:

So where are we heading in Britain now? Let me guess: this Winter, respiratory diseases and deaths will tick up - as usual. These will be cried up hysterically, even when they don’t reach any extraordinary levels. The rapidly-increasing PCR swindle will be used continually to beat people over the head with ‘massive, exponential case-rise shockhorrorstormTM’ terror-porn - till it stops being effective as a stampeder. Then on to some new terror. Only this morning, beeb ‘news’ has been trailing ‘the first man in the world to be shown to have caught the illness TWICE!!! And the second time is MUCH WORSE! shockhorrorstormTM!’ Trying that canard out as the new horrifier story, perhaps? (The appropriate response is: ‘So that’s one in seven-point-eight billion, is it? Or three or four hundred, perhaps? Just a very small cohort of extraordinarily physically-unlucky people, then?’ How many others do any of us know who had the sort of terrible luck that’s afflicted Dr. dan?)

I’m half inclined, looking at all the countries which have followed the standard annual flu death-curve for this outbreak, to offer odds that there will be no substantial uptick in deaths this Winter, beyond the usual one. Nothing, at any rate, beyond an average bad-flu season. And I’ll offer odds-on already that other deaths will be craftily conflated with the covid toll (as has been happening already), to make it seem as bad as possible. W&S! :innocent:

I know several people that have “had it”. Except when I ask “How did they know it was Corona virus not flu”, the reaction is as if I’m from another planet. For those that say they were tested, the debate begins. I try and explain that the PCR “test” is not a test and with anything up to and maybe over 80% false positive rate, that proves nothing. I then ask about the other areas of health (overweight, other chronic conditions, medication, etc). Mostly, cognitive dissonance forces them back to their original beliefs. I live in hope that occasionly I can get someone to at least start to question.

During the swine flu they reported daily deaths as swine flu that were flu deaths.

The symptoms of flu vs Cofid-19 are more similar than I thought.

On these PCR tests, have you seen this post at TLN; Moon of Alabama takes issue with the PCR criticism

All a bit technical - MoA argues that the Covid PCR test doesn’t in fact pick up other viruses.

(In actual fact I think this is the lesser of the two criticisms made of the Covid PCR, the major one being that the increasing of the magnifications produces false positives. MoA doesn’t address that).

MoA comments: " The website [Global Research] provides at times interesting reading. It is edited by Michael Chossudovsky, an emerited professor for economics (links removed). Unfortunately he at times writes about issues that are beyond his horizon."

Lol. Wonder where MoA got this from, or when he became a virologist or biologist.
There are well qualified people agreeing with Chossudovsky too. I don’t see the technical people addressing each other’s technical arguments yet!?
In terms of science it’s the PCR test that makes the claim so has to address the criticism. Maybe they have. Anyone know of any interactions between the two sides please post.

Hi Pat

Would you mind giving a little more explanation about this bit?

Cheers
PP

@PontiusPrimate and @Evvy_dense

I thought I had posted this before, but maybe I was day dreaming (again)!

Here is Kary Mullis (the guy who won a Nobel prize for the PCR test), amongst others talking about the PCR “test”.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/d7eF5vDATxBq/

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Hi E_D

Just a very short note to point out something that often gets lost in these lockdown discussions.

Let’s just take a moment to all realise that, in an almost exact replay of March, Boris Johnson’s government is resisting a lockdown of the UK with every bone it’s body.

Bojo and his psychopaths do not want a lockdown. They never did. They would much prefer to let the poor, the vulnerable and the old just die.

If we do get one, it will be the result of public pressure and media pressure - exactly as it was the last time.

PP

Edit: just to emphasise the above point

Hi Pat

very interesting video. I hadn’t realised that Kary Mullis was such a strong anti-establishment figure. Probably the kind of person I’d love to have posting on this board, in fact. Think I’ll try and get a copy of his book - looks interesting. One thing that kept cracking me up, however, was how the host of the video kept calling him a “Nobel peace prize winning scientist”. It’s a rare thing for a chemist to win the Nobel peace prize for chemistry :wink:

On the subject of PCR testing, while I think the points made are totally valid, I think it’s important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I agree that:

  • The likelihood of finding almost anything increases towards a certainty as one increases the amplification cycles
  • A positive test indicates only that the patient came into contact with the virus at some point within the last several weeks
  • A positive test alone doesn’t say anything about whether that person will become sick, will be contagious, or whether they have just become exposed or have already overcome the virus

If, in addition to the binary yes/no of a test, (1) the viral load, and/or (2) the number of amplification cycles, were also reported, that would tell us a lot more. Viral load tells us whether the person is likely to be infectious, and the amplification cycle also tells us something about how many virus particles there are.

For the most part, I don’t think the question of false positives are all that important. I’ve already spoken a bit about that, so won’t go into it again.

But, apart from all the problems with testing, three important points remain:
1 - the ratio of positive tests is increasing exponentially. This can’t be explained by an increase in testing alone
2 - the number of positive covid-19 patients in hospital is increasing exponentially.
3 - the number of positive covid-19 patients on ventilators is increasing exponentially

These three points taken together, make me strongly believe that the virus and consequently the illness is still increasing exponentially in our populations, and this goes on to make me think that without prompt action, we are heading back into NHS overwhelm territory, and a lot of unnecessary deaths.

Cheers
PP

Necessary to remember that bernhard at MoA is one of the heavily-hit TDS victims. Been acting aggressively off-trolley for some time - about covid. Clearly seriously rattled.

Hancock apparently either telling barefaced lies / or demonstrating his utter cluelessness, in Paedominster. Or both: serving the increasingly blatant con propaganda by reading whatever propa-patter his spads feed him, but doing it ridiculously badly: