Well done RG. I am really disappointed by the condescending, insulting and ignorant tenor of the blog and Saker´s reply to comments btl. I suspect that, after reading reasoned comments like yours, he is beginning to go on the defensive. If he really is honest, he will retract this blog. V. unlikely in my opinion, like GG, too much ego invested in this.
Seems to me that Saker has done great (possibly irreparable) damage to his reputation amongst his readers in this idiotic stroke of commentary on a subject where he apparently has zero knowledge, and, instead, merely spouts juvenile sarcasm.
Yep! Raging blind-spot/hot-button irrationality on quite offensive display there, R! Now where have both you and I experienced that before…? 
I’ll continue to read Andrei’s output, though. Outwith the b-s/h-b irrationality bubble, he’s a pretty damn’ good analyst. We ALL have the problem; no exceptions. We need to be forgiving to each other about it.
PS: Do you notice Andrei’s projection of his own “juvenile sarcasm” onto his commentators? We’re all suffering from it, apparently.
Now, after a btl flood that’s already nearing 500 posts on his first post, Andrei’s written another fuming repudiation - which quite frankly I haven’t bothered to read beyond the first few paras. Think I’ll have to skip over his posts on covid, they way I skip over the ones on Russian Orthodox christianity. Simple practical sifting of the wheat from the chaff. Where DON’T we have to do that…? 
An excellent and very diplomatic response. However, I have one issue with all the pro-lockdown we’re all gonna die brigade and one which you didn’t address. I have taken a quote from a link in another thread here.
“On 8 September, the World Health Organisation (WHO) warned of a deadly condition that is likely to kill around 11 million people worldwide every year. This includes 2.9 million deaths among children, most of which are preventable. Given these awful projections, it is surely clear that urgent action is needed: social distancing; facemasks; lockdowns; unprecedented investment in vaccine development. But that wouldn’t address the problem, because we’re talking about sepsis”
My beef is we are all debating the pandemic and reactions to it. Except where is it?
The Big C addresses this problem too, Pat, remarkable panacea that it is. However, don’t expect any promotion of this simple, cheap, potent solution, not whilst the slavering profit-gougers of Big Pharma think their wholly-owned ‘scientists’ can devise another expensive patented junk, to offer inferior-to-C results, with added bad side-effects. But a reliable money-maker, till it’s finally withdrawn because of it’s accumulating death-and-crippling toll. Profits: X billion; subsequent fine for malfeasance: 2 billion, where X is a lot greater than 2. No personal liability for the BPh perps; no feckin’ problem! Croak all you want, plebs, as long as you continue to serve the great god Profit!
Do you recognise the repeating pattern, Pat? Publc health be buggered.
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Second all that Rhis, but I also agree with PP’s original observation on the compliance of so many leaders in this scamdemic, and must find ways to understand how it can be. Putin is very smart, and what he says sort of sums it up - how could people who disagree fundamentally on many things be all taking the same position on this?
But the Saker’s rant has really exposed the limitations of OUR influence amongst many who are on the same side on geostrategic issues - and would never fault him on them. So it’s a problem. It would be good to see him answer your points, but I’m afraid he couldn’t.
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Read a piece a few days ago - can’t find a link or a name now - where the writer spoke of the various categories of people supporting the scam. The really interesting one was the ‘deceived influencer’: someone like a doctor, a medical officer, any standard-issue, whipped lobby-fodder politician, just about anyone purporting to be a journalist, though actually a mediawhore, and so on: People who spread the message because they’ve been persuaded - somehow, presumably lubricated to believe by TDS - that the official narrative is true, and they have a high moral duty to support it.
This, even though it’s utter bollocks, and any brief, non-terror-stampeded examination of the story, along with a bit of relevant fact collecting, would make that clear very quickly. And of course, there’s a further impetus to believe when their alterconscious deep-minds understand that this is a band-waggon they need to be on, to stay with the privileged in-crowd, and to maintain their positions - and the precious, comfortably-bill-paying career. Always a keen motivation for doublethinking.
Also, there’s the irrational emotion which refuses to acknowledge that they’ve been fooled, especially when they suspect that it might be true, and which causes the outbreaks of angry repudiation - with added ad homs. As Chris Martenson put it just recently, when you offend someone’s tightly-held belief, it triggers immediate, often quite excessive rage. Always an interesting signal. (Saker’s current outburst of raging irrationality, for an example…?)
I think that there are a whole lot of deceived influencers about right now, clinging to their ‘convictions’ like grim death, and helping to shove the whole bloody shooting match ever further down the coviscam road…
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PS: Andrei has a third comment up now on his blog, a final blast to tend his idee fixe. He’s bringing back the censorship (‘moderation’) soon. I think I may have got in with another comment though, just in time. Copy below:
SELFQUOTE:
I see that even in your third go at the subject, Andrei, you haven’t actually addressed the glaring anomalies in the official covid story, which the calmer voices in these threads have been putting to you. Lots of assertions that you have it right, and we’re all just silly, childish irrationals (!). But no actual sober consideration of the anomalies. Interesting, that.
I consider, Andrei, that you’ve made a serious blunder here, driven by a hot-button/blind-spot conviction (which ALL we fallible, imperfect creatures have, somewhere in our repertoire, about some cherished error). BUT…
You remain one of the impressive analysts on matters geopolitical, and I shan’t be flouncing off from your excellent blog. You are wrong about the covid scam, though. I hope that, eventually, when the dust has settled, and you’re feeling less exercised by it, you’ll be able to get round to entertaining that idea for some serious consideration. Your past record suggests you have the moral stature to be able to do that, and to admit it publicly. Good luck. And do keep your excellent analyses coming, please. One glaring screw-up doesn’t ruin a good record.
UNQUOTE
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Post mortem: Andrei has now re-imposed ‘moderation’ - censorship - on his blog, and the whole episode is now up for evaluation.
The more one reads through the comments that were allowed through in this interlude - well over a thousand, apparently! - the more one has to conclude that Andrei’s response to them has been irrational. Condemned as silly, irrational creatures en masse, it’s quite clear as you read that some substantial portion of them - over half? - simply don’t answer to Andrei’s obvious projection.
Lots of cogent, fact-based concerns were raised, frequently in civil language, and with caveats appreciating the very good work that the Saker blog does. Andrei’s response is uniform: dogged unwillingness to even engage with the reasonable concerns about all the anomalies; and a constant tone of scornful superiority to his questioners.
Jesus! Two large holes in the feet of Andrei’s standing! Off to A&E pronto, bro…
Thanks K! I had a small echo of a memory that it might have been Iain, but I’m so busy just trying to keep up with up-to-the-minute developments right now, as the mood and the tide of the struggle is clearly shifting, that I couldn’t get round to go looking for it.
Iain’s categorisation is a highly useful clarifier, to help us get some sort of understanding of the truly baffling behaviour of the ‘deceived influencers’ who of course could, and really, really should, know better. I surmise that as well as ‘deceived’, a highly-appropriate other adjective has to be ‘entranced’. Literally, in the actual hypnotist’s meaning of the word. The sufferers are, when you look closely, quite clearly in some sort of altered state of awareness: a trance. Where I live, there’s this sharp division between the sleep-walkers and the awake. We stay civil friends, mostly, but it’s become clear to me lately, after one of two astonishing conversations, that we’re occupying subtly but drastically different mind-states.
This is a basic lesson to carry away from this whole crazy time: expertly-propagandised terror-porn is a uniquely potent way to drive those on the higher end of the suggestibility spectrum into instant, hypnotist-obeying trance. Simply astonishing!
I wonder whether slightly aspi people like me are actually less susceptible? I NEVER bought into the terror-porn at any time in the whole lunacy. And yet I know from long experience that I’m quite hypnotically induceable.
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Mesmerized.
I can only speak for myself but a sense of being apart from neurotypicals may well foster a level of insusceptibility to the spells that have them entranced. I remember when the original Star Wars film was released and the absolute blanket coverage on the admittedly much fewer media. You’ve gotta see it. Best film ever. Blah blah blah.
Internal dialogue: I’m not like them, I won’t be like them, I won’t go see it.
Never seen it, never will.
The socialising of many people consists of slightly nervous “oh do please like me” primate gibbers, “I did a funny (hence the strained guffaws, please join in… Oh thank you for joining in)”
I can mask, can nod along and not draw attention to the pachyderms a chambre, but my gawd it’s hard work. (Uses up your spoons, some would say).
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“Uses up your spoons.” LOVE that! What does it mean? It reminds me of another nice one: “She’s not got all her chairs at home!” Sort of variant on: “Two sandwiches short of a picnic.” PS: Do take a look at the hypnosis item that I just posted. Instant revelation!!!
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I need a word that describes a neurotypical person (afaik) who nevertheless feels almost completely disconnected from the vast majority of their fellow humans!
Incidentally, one of the things I like about this board is how varied the discussions at the end of a thread are compared to the first few posts.
Peace
PP
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These people inhabit a world completely different to ours. There’s a saying about life imitating art. Ever watched the film Kingsman-The Secret Service? There’s your answer.
Properly awake, P? Or as I like to say: Awake And Paying Attention - AAPA.
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Kudos. I’ve never watched Grease or the Sound of Music. Not going to either.
I have watched Star Wars though. Worth it for Kenobi’s quote.
“Who is more the fool? The fool, or the fool that follows?”
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Spoonswise this puts it rather well
Incidentally, one of the things I like about this board is how varied the discussions at the end of a thread are compared to the first few posts.
Yes I like that too. And the way Godwins Law seems not to apply.
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