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The regulatory framework for electroconvulsive therapy is unfit for purpose,

"In her very honest article, Rebecca Lawrence accurately notes that views about electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) are polarised (ECT’s bad reputation isn’t justified - but we must be upfront about its problems, 13 August). One thing we ought to be able to agree about, though, is the need for safe and properly monitored practice. This does not happen, and a growing number of MPs are supporting our campaign for an independent review into ECT.

It is not widely appreciated that even the minimal standards set out by the Royal College of Psychiatrists are optional, since ECT clinics do not have to be accredited in order to operate.

Furthermore, as we have found, it is almost impossible to hold services to account. The Care Quality Commission does not routinely inspect ECT clinics, does not usually investigate formal complaints, and defers to clinical opinion even in the case of practice that falls well outside official guidelines.

Whatever the claimed merits of ECT for some people, it is clearly unacceptable that this powerful and invasive intervention is effectively unregulated.

Dr Lucy Johnstone
Consultant clinical psychologist, Bristol

Dr Rebecca Lawrence is to be thanked for sharing her personal experience with ECT and for acknowledging the severity of the resulting memory dysfunction that is often minimised by ECT proponents.

Nevertheless, she concludes that ECT is “lifesaving” and “miraculous”. One might have expected a psychiatrist to cite some rigorous studies to support such strong claims.

There are none. Astonishingly, given how dangerous the procedure is, there have been no placebo-controlled studies since 1985. The 11 before then were of poor quality and produced mixed results. Five found no difference at the end of treatment between the ECT group and a placebo group who had the general anaesthetic but not the electric shock. No study has ever shown that ECT is better than placebo beyond the end of treatment. And there is no evidence that it prevents suicide, as often claimed.

The history of psychiatry is littered with treatments that doctors genuinely believed were effective and safe but turned out to be neither, including lobotomies. Dr Lawrence believes “There are no goods and bads with ECT, no rights or wrongs”. Patients have a right to know that the science says otherwise.
Dr John Read
Professor of clinical psychology, University of East London": https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/18/ect-requires-rigorous-study-and-regulation?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter F**king medieval bullsht

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Thanks @GKH

Seems crazy to me that we’re still shocking people’s brains to combat depression. I’m hopeful that some of the breakthrough results using high dose psilocybin to manage treatment resistant depression will translate into more compassionate and less damaging treatments for people.

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Lucy Johnstone is the business. I recommend her papers on Power Threat Meaning which I hadn’t heard of until about three years ago when recommended by

…suddenly a LOT of stuff made sense.

https://www.bps.org.uk/power-threat-meaning-framework/introduction-ptmf

I hadn’t realised but a book co-authored with Mary Boyle was published late last year. Yet another for the pile.

While I tend to agree that ECT belongs firmly in the “barbaric stuff we used to do” category, I’m minded of the shamanic use of trepanning. Sounds atrocious, and quite probably its origins lay in paradigms of demonic possession, and yet… it does seem to have helped some people.

Informed choice is the key, no surprises. ECT has a very shady history of being imposed on black people, ‘hysterical’ women, recidivist criminals, and troublesome scions of the wealthy who need to be kept out of public view…

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As a self-harmer who beats his own temporal lobes (injury site from fluoride poisoning, brain damage I believe), I was terrified when I discovered Antelope House (the new mental health complex on the Royal South Hampshire Hospital site), was to include a brand new ECT “suite” (euphemisms). I’ve been smart enough over the years to avoid the diagnosis that would lead me there, nevertheless, the threat remains. For goodness sake I know what I do during an “episode” is bad for me but I need (and have been working on and searching for), curing not beating up professionally (difficult to access any alternative treatments/resources without a diagnosis of-course)!

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In the Shennong Ben Cao Jing (ancient Chinese herbal), the aloe vera plant is known as; “The Harmonic Healer” #Vibrational Medicine #Flower Remedies #DrEdwardBach #DrMasaruEmoto #ViktorSchauberger… Marijuana works very well (Nb. esp. when supply is secured), …

aloe-vera-bloom-e1455199098358

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I’ve always thought that I need trepanning like I need a hole in the … oh. wait.

:wink:

Actually there is a fascinating link between this practice and the current rise and rise of psychedelic treatments. That link is called Amanda Fielding. She once performed a trepanation on herself and filmed it for the masses. You can read a little more about this remarkable woman here:

Fair points that ECT might actually be helpful (and at least they knock you out before they do it, unlike a lot of representations of film), but it still feels like a very blunt instrument! I’d take the psilocybin anyday.

Thanks for the links - I’ll have a look.

Cheers
PP

Unnecessary barbarism…interventionist nightmare…listen, engage, support…

Hi @GKH

I’m truly sorry to hear that. One of my very best friends struggled with self harming for many years - a result of childhood abuse. She was able to get some relief with mindfulness based CBT (MCBT) but it was a long, hard struggle. I’m hopeful that there will be psychedelic therapies in the future (perhaps based on MDMA which is already proving useful for PTSD) that will greatly help with such troubles.

Sending love my friend.
PP

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Yeah, living alone with my emotionally abusive (suicidal), bi-polar mother during my teenage years did not help! #EmotionalCrutchKids

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I told my clinical psychologists (in group), it’s exactly like living with a domestic abuser… #themnotme

Red Hot Pokers we used to call those. Have been growing aloe Vera for years, they’re all over the house, and all descended from the same £10 great great grandmother.

Apropos the other herb, we found out this week that a bungalow held in trust by my OH had a cannabis factory in the attic. It came to light when the £10k leccy bill attracted some attention, but we only found out after the death of the trust’s beneficiary, on Friday 13th bless him. It was 4 years ago that the cops closed it down, and I’m told the place still absolutely reeks.

Herne Bay, town of dreams :kissing_smiling_eyes:

The person who took the rap basically had a few months with one of those electronic tags on her ankle. I have no idea how she got off so lightly. Well, actually, I do, but mustn’t align the fine constabulary of Kent.

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Or malign…

" …troublesome scions of the wealthy who need to be kept out of public view…"

Hasn’t Mrs. Windsor senior got one of those? No, not Andrew Windsor, another less publicised one…?

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I have heard this Urban Legend, but was thinking of Kaspar Hauser and modern inbreds like the Mitfords.

I use my aloes (once filleted), both internally and externally, however, it is the flower I wish to study…Dr. Edward Bach only potentised native British flora…now though a number of producers are marketing aloe vera flower remedies… the Shennong Ben Cao Jing far predates the work of; “Christian Friedrich Samuel Hahnemann, (born April 10, 1755, Meissen, Saxony [now in Germany]—died July 2, 1843, Paris, France), German physician, *founder of the system of therapeutics known as [homeopathy]**(homeopathy | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica)”

*Unsurprisingly (for those of us who have studied vibrational science properly), the reference in the ancient Chinese herbal gives the lie to this…for “water magic” is very, very ancient… (and remember Viktor Schauberger was doing his “implosion” research at precisely the same time that Dr.Bach was working on potentising -funny how both researchers had their work occulted after their deaths; Nelson’s messed up Bach’s gentle method by preferring succusion, o.k for minerals etc. but utterly destructive for both flower and crystal essences-, in the 20th Century), …

Hahneman

Dr.Edward Bach

Emoto

Frodo1

This is the “physical alternative” to the standard model, an alternative that embodies emergence…the atom exploiting paradigm is wrong…all the sophisticated maths is precisely that, a falsehood parading as truth…

"Perfect Water"

"Perfect water - the dark wind braids the waves that grays birds.
'Ware the tree. Is this our destiny?
To join our hands at sea - and slowly sink, and slowly think:
This is perfect water, passing over me.

Do you know Jacques Cousteau when they said on the radio
That he hears bells in random order, deep beneath the perfect water?
Love! That is frightening, but still so inviting.
To drown inside a sound that lay so far underground.
And to think… And to think:
This is perfect water, passing over me.

To flow inside the spiral tide;
To drown my eyes like a blind ride.
And to cross the perils of black water -
It waits for me like mother and daughter.
A life of perfect order! A strange and perfect water!
A life of perfect order! A strange and perfect water!

Perfect water. I dream this dream within my deep and warm gulf stream.
Where two blocks of ice melt into my hands like dice,
And I roll seven on the floor of the sea!
And I roll seven on the floor of the sea!
And I feel the perfect water, washing over me.

To flow inside the spiral tide;
To drown my eyes like a blind ride.
And to cross the perils of black water -
It waits for me like mother and daughter.
A life of perfect order! A strange and perfect water!
A life of perfect order! A strange and perfect water!
A life! A strange!
A life! A strange!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_XorP9Lr0Q

Moon Earth

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The same John Michell who was into earth mysteries, sacred geometry, and crop circles etc?

Still none the wiser…I’ve not read him… “crop circles” interesting case, started out being what they looked like then #popculture got hold of the idea…that’s the story…