More from Robert Malone on this, below.
Pfizer hasn’t denied that Walker’s remarks make sense, and Walkers explanations are technical enough to give the impression he isn’t just ad-libbing about something that they are not doing, and not talking about doing. If he was making it up you’d expect a rapid denial from Pfizer indicating what was false, rather than an excuse that it was all okay really.
Boston University owned to doing something similar. I don’t think they’ve said who is actually funding that work.
Walker’s claim that he was lying are at odds with his reaction to being rumbled - he could have just fessed up, but instead he made desperate attempts to keep the footage from being aired. He could have passed it off as a joke, rather than stage this drama of blocking a car and calling the police…
To my mind, Walker’s reactions and those of Pfizer and Malone suggest the revelations are real and this is a thing being discussed in Pfizer; as it was taken further in Boston Uni, it’s the only real surprise would be who else is doing it.
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Dr. Robert Malone, author of “Lies My Gov’t Told Me,” in Washington on Dec. 19, 2022. (Jack Wang/The Epoch Times)
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Dr. Robert Malone said he was “entirely emotional” after seeing Project Veritas’s undercover video in which a research director of Pfizer claimed the company’s scientists are talking about mutating the SARS-CoV-2 virus to “preemptively develop new vaccines.”
Dr. Jordon Walker, who was or is a Pfizer employee, stated in the video, “One of the things we are exploring is, why don’t we just mutate it ourselves so we could create—preemptively develop new vaccines?” He added later, “We’re going to consider that, with more discussions.”
Malone told NTD Business that Walker’s statement acknowledges something quite significant.
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“The buried lede in all of this is that it is an implicit acknowledgement that Pfizer is not able to produce the product that would be necessary to get out ahead of this virus and allow people to be protected using a vaccine,” he said.
“What is being said is an implicit acknowledgment that the products aren’t working, and they can’t make them work without going to extraordinary measures of these genetic manipulations, which they hope might solve their problem of getting out ahead of the virus evolution.”
Malone also expressed that he was emotional and “stunned” by Walker’s personality.
“I mean, this is somebody who is in a position to profoundly influence our all of our lives,” Malone said, adding later in reference to the kind of research Walker spoke about: “He’s just joking about it. He shows absolutely no signs of remorse, except for the caveats, caveats that he says, ‘well, please don’t tell anybody this,’ you know, in a kind of a conspiratorial way.”
The Epoch Times has reached out to Pfizer for comment regarding Malone’s assessment.
‘Profoundly Disturbing’
In the undercover video, Walker told the Project Veritas journalist: “Don’t tell anyone. Promise you won’t tell anyone. The way it [the experiment] would work is that we put the virus in monkeys, and we successively cause them to keep infecting each other, and we collect serial samples from them.”
Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine uses messenger RNA (mRNA) technology. Malone, a pioneer in mRNA technology development in vaccines, shared his understanding on Walker’s statement from a technical perspective.
“He’s talking about modifying domains of the virus,” Malone said. “And he’s talking about serial passaging in monkeys … and serial passage, this infecting one monkey and then taking virus from that monkey and putting it into another into another into another, demonstrates—this is what bothers me the most—it demonstrates an immunologic naivete at Pfizer. Remember, this is a senior Pfizer executive responsible for strategic planning.”
“What they seem to believe is that they can generate mutant viruses … and then somehow obtain viruses that are more pathogenic, or more infectious, that are escaping vaccination,” Malone added. “And then once they’ve developed those, then they can potentially develop a vaccine against those. So what they’re what they’re really talking about is attempting to accelerate in a more controlled environment using monkeys instead of humans—which have very different immune systems—so that they can anticipate the evolution the virus is going to take.”
Malone said that the situation is like a “self-licking ice cream cone, where they create the problem and the solution at the same time and then sell us the solution once the problem either manifests or somehow inadvertently ends up in the general population, such as happened in Wuhan.
“This is profoundly disturbing. Even just the fact that this gentleman would joke about this is profoundly disturbing.”
In this image from video, Pfizer Director of Research and Development Dr. Jordon Walker speaks about mutating COVID-19. (Courtesy of Project Veritas)
Pfizer’s Response
Following the release of the Project Veritas video on Jan. 25, Pfizer ignored multiple queries from The Epoch Times and other outlets before it issued a statement on Jan. 27, in which it denied having “conducted gain of function or directed evolution research” in the “ongoing development of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.”
However, Pfizer noted that in the assessment of Paxlovid, an antiviral drug used against COVID-19, the company carries out laboratory tests “to identify potential resistance mutations” to nirmatrelvir, which is one of the two components of Paxlovid. Here, Pfizer noted that “[i]n a limited number of cases when a full virus does not contain any known gain of function mutations, such virus may be engineered to enable the assessment of antiviral activity in cells.”
Pfizer did not make any mention of Walker in its statement, and as such, neither confirmed nor denied that Walker was or is a Pfizer employee.
Pfizer also did not explicitly dispute the claim by Walker that its scientists are discussing mutating COVID-19 viruses to preemptively develop new vaccines.
While Pfizer specifically denied that it is engaging in gain of function or directed evolution research in developing the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, the company did not deny that it may be engaged in such research in general, including in relation to other potential COVID-19 vaccines that do not bear the Pfizer-BioNTech designation.
Walker, in a video shared by Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe, denied he was “even a scientist” and claimed that he “came from a consulting firm that does business.” He denied working for Pfizer and said he “was a contractor.” He also told O’Keefe that he was “trying to impress a person on a date by lying.”
‘Directed Evolution’ Versus ‘Gain-of-Function’
Walker, in the initial undercover video, denied that the kind of research he was referring to would be characterized as “gain-of-function,” and instead called it “directed evolution.”
“You’re not supposed to do gain-of-function research with viruses. Regularly not,” Walker said in the video. “We can do these selected structure mutations to make them more potent. There is research ongoing about that. I don’t know how that is going to work. There better not be any more outbreaks.”
But for Malone, the terms refer to similar or the same things.
“This is really parsing of words or substituting one set of words for another that really are equivalent—or if they’re not equivalent they are so close to each other as to be irrelevant,” Malone said.
“Technically, one could define gain-of-function research—which by the way is poorly defined—as only involving the insertion of a new genetic element into a virus, you could define it that way. Or you could define it in the more normal way: anything that you do in mutating a virus genome, to cause it to have different properties would be gain of function that is gained and different properties, by definition, and in his case, he’s talking about obtaining different immunologic properties,” Malone said.
“But what he’s trying to do is substitute a more benign term for one that has become very widely understood to be wrong, to be illegal, in the United States. And he’s making a joke out of it. And and he’s clearly acknowledging in the video that the two things are really the same functionally.”
Malone speculated that “for purposes of PR for Pfizer, it appears that [Walker has] been instructed to use the term ‘directed evolution’ in lieu of the term ‘gain of function.’”
Malone noted that Pfizer’s Jan. 27 statement said its scientists “have conducted research where the original SARS-CoV-2 virus has been used to express the spike protein from new variants of concern.”
“Swapping new spike sequences into original Wuhan-1 is technically gain of function research,” Malone commented on Twitter.
“Pfizer is basically acknowledging that they are doing the same type of gain of function research that Boston University was caught doing, but they are denying that it is gain of function or directed evolution,” Malone said in a separate Twitter post. He was referring to when researchers with Boston University said in October 2022 they developed a strain of COVID-19 that killed 80 percent of mice infected with it.
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