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#61

Thanks PatB, the more honest and informed views the better!
It would be a bit much to expect Russia to defend Syria on its own, but we don’t know how the retreat started, maybe the Syrian soldiers saw the writing on the wall. Guess Ukraine is the difference now. The ‘stupid’ Americans know the benefit of keeping a target country busy on as many fronts as possible.
Doesn’t seem to apply to Israel, due to seemingly endless supply of US weaponry. Amazingly, the latter are rarely ever mentioned in terms that even suggest they could be the aggressor.

It’s enough to make you boycott Snow White. Of course in wider terms the US may be the ultimate victim of its own reach. I can’t see how even its reach can include the emerging eastern and southern powers, even as its wordly credit - based as it is on past traditions, repute and fear - runs out.

#62

I read it twice. It nails it, you’re right. And so was FP:

The Kennedy assassination has demonstrated that most of the major events of world significance are masterfully planned and orchestrated by an elite coterie of enormously powerful people who are not of one nation, one ethnic grouping, or one overridingly important business group. They are a power unto themselves for whom those others work. Neither is this power elite of recent origin. Its roots go deep into the past.

Fletcher Prouty (1992)

The snip below is from the latter part of Rusere Shoniwa’s excellent article posted above by AlanG. The whole thing is well worth the time.

There are disagreements within the global financial oligarchic system, and those differences are varied and complex. But there is one thing that now unites our overlords more than ever – an understanding that the entire global population must be oppressed if they are to preserve their hold on concentrated wealth underpinned by a global power structure.

The so-called emerging multipolar world order is a Punch and Judy show put on by the OCGFC to install a world order controlled by financial capital. The savagery of war, with its needless indiscriminate killing, is the ultimate human crisis that the parasitic class has come to depend on to advance its agendas of concentrating wealth and imposing greater controls on the mass of humanity, which it fears and despises. To that end, a showdown with Iran is virtually inevitable. Perhaps the most galling aspect of it all is that the parasitic controllers are confident there is no risk to them, which is why they are hurtling down this path. They believe they will achieve their aims regardless of who emerges as the victor in any conflict.

If Iran is to prevail, it will likely have to rely on some level of support from Russia and China. In which case, the parasitic class will pull the financial levers of a BRICS-led world order. If Iran is destroyed, they believe they can rule over a Zionist world order – an even more Zionist order than the current one we’re living in, if you can imagine such a horror.

As with national elections, the Establishment has a preferred choice, and the criteria are actually quite similar to those used in the election fraud – which fork in the road will hoodwink the masses more effectively? But rest assured that either way, war is the ‘problem’ presented to the people, and the ‘solution’ remains the same – a global public-private partnership fronted by the UN, in which local freedom and autonomy are sacrificed at the altar of a carbon-rationed, global digital gulag. And all the global world powers, under the direction of the OCGFC, are firmly signed up to that dystopia. Every manufactured crisis, every war, is designed to lead us into that pen.

That is why the global Establishment always cooperate with each other at crucial moments. That is why none of them should be trusted or supported. That is why Syrian troops were betrayed and ordered to stand down in Homs.

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#63

Here’s another good 'un in our view:

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#64

This is the best video I have seen so far on this subject. Two things that Marouf said really struck a chord with me.

First, was his comment on the Yemeni action against Israehell. Their insistence on only military targets while the zionist entity are striking civilian infrastructure is a mistake. I agree completely.

He also pointed out that Israehell’s air capabilities (which we know Iran has the capability to wipe out) should have been destroyed by Iran. Again, any fool can see this and they would then be walking the walk in support of the Palestinians, rather than just talking the talk.

Thanks for posting.

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#65

So is Israhel over stretching? As a US proxy Air Force they only hailed fire on Syria when confident no air defence capability would be used. Then all bets are off.

The Empire’s middle-eastern operation is in purely demolition-centred mode, when no Palestinians are able to be lured into crossfire. Seems unlikely the Zionist entity will try to defend any territorial gains, except at Golan, though.

Quite a lot more to be negotiated in the early new year?

#66

Something is starting to smell bad in all of this.

Some interesting observations about Putin from PCR who’s been critical of Putin for quite a while:

Will Russia Collapse in 2025?

December 26, 2024

Will Russia Collapse in 2025?

Paul Craig Roberts

Is Putin’s Government Trying to Be a 19th century liberal government in the brutal evil world of the 21st century?

I raise this question not only because Putin has been fighting in his gentlemanly way a war on Russian territory in Ukraine for six months longer without yet winning than it took Stalin’s Red Army to defeat the formidable German Wehrmacht in World War II, and still Putin has not cleared Ukrainian troops from the small Donbas area or from the Ukrainian invasion of Russian Kursk. Does anyone remember when Putin declared that Russia would never again fight a war on its own territory? Putin has been fighting a war on Russia’s own territory for longer than the Soviet offensive took to drive the German invaders out of Russia. Moreover, Putin and Lavrov seem to be relying on Trump, not the Russian military, to bring the conflict in Ukraine to an end by agreeing to a mutual security treaty.

None of Putin’s declarations have had any effect on Washington’s determination to further breakup Russia, a constraint on American hegemony. Neither have any of the super weapons that Putin has waved in the face of the West. Putin’s reliance on useless “agreements,” such as the Minsk Agreement and the Astana Agreement that sunk Syria, together with Putin’s clamps on the Russian military in Donbas, has convinced Washington that Putin will not fight. Washington finds it extraordinary that it took Putin eight years after Washington’s coup in Kiev, which placed a Washington Puppet in charge of Ukraine, to come to grips with the fact that he had a problem, deceived as he was by his useless Minsk Agreement.

After Putin’s intervention in Syria that prevented US President Obama’s invasion of Syria, Putin’s only proactive move, Putin refused to allow Syria to use Russian air defense systems to prevent Israeli attacks on Syria and on Iranian officials. During the entire time of the Russian Air Force’s domination of Syrian air space, Putin permitted Israel and Washington to attack Syrian territory at will. One wonders why Putin ever bothered to intervene in Syria. The can got kicked down the road for awhile, but the final result was that Putin ran from the Israeli/Washington invasion and placed the Syria he had defended in the hands of Washington and Israel. Putin simply wrote off 8 or more years of the Russian Air Force fighting in the defense of a Syrian government elected by Syrians.

Now the road is open for Israel to occupy Lebanon. No more embarrassing defeats of the vaunted Israeli Army at the hands of the Hezbollah militia devoid of an air force or heavy weapons. Twice the Israeli Army, good only for killing women and children, ran for its life from Hezbollah. But now thanks to Putin, Syria is no more, and there is no way to resupply Hezbollah. Hezbollah sat on its butt and did nothing while Israel assassinated all of its leaders and commanders and cut off its resupply routes. Inaction always leads to defeat, and Putin’s inaction is leading to Russia’s defeat. In the final days, to avoid this Russian defeat will the button be pushed?

Iran is now also isolated and wonders what trust it can put in Putin, who is so averse to fighting. The Chinese and the BRICS now face the same question. Can Russia be counted on in a showdown?

My critical words do not comprise even a beginning of Putin’s long list of strategic mistakes. I have written about some of them on this website. But many I have not have had a chance to address.

Consider this one for example. Russia is a federation, a weak political structure as it amounts to a tower of babel, and it has Muslim provinces. Putin’s policies in the Middle East have favored Israel over Muslims. Recently, perhaps in response to Israel’s genocide of Palestine, Russian Muslims attacked Jews in a Muslim province of the Russian Federation. Why there were Jews there is incomprehensible. Putin’s government immediately arrested the Russian Muslims and committed Russia’s Muslim citizens to 7 and 8 years in prison for assaulting Jews. But Putin has done nothing about Israel’s murderous assaults on Palestine and Lebanon and Syria.

So why is Putin on Israel’s side and not on the side of the Russian Federation’s own Muslim citizens? The Putin government’s persecution of its own citizens for their expressed opposition to Israel’s murderous treatment of Muslims raises the question whether Putin is really a nationalist leader or just another Israeli puppet like Washington. Even Trump’s government is overwhelmingly Zionist.

Russia’s Muslim province just gave the green light to polygamy. This is inconsistent with Russian law. Here we have a new breakage in the Russian Federation, a double breakage considering the Russian government taking the side of Israel over the Russian Muslim population. Little doubt the Muslim leaders will have to reverse the decision. What an extraordinary gift Putin has handed to Washington’s neoconservatives to exploit. Here we have Putin helping Washington’s breakup of the Russian Federation.

Let’s see. During the years Putin has been in office, Washington has established missile bases on Russia’s borders in Poland, Romania, and Ukraine. Ukraine, formerly a Russia friendly country, has become Washington’s ally in a war against Russia, still not acknowledged by the Russian Foreign Ministry, which seems unable to acknowledge any reality.

Putin the Unready was not ready for the US/Georgian invasion of South Ossetia, nor for Washington’s Maidan Coup in Ukraine, nor for the necessary Russian intervention in Donbas, nor for the defense of Syria, host of Russia’s naval and air bases for the projection of Russian power, nor for Armenia, nor for Washington’s ongoing color revolution in Georgia. Putin is never ready for anything but a worthless paper agreement with his enemies. Is Putin Capable of Strategic Thinking? |

Putin has guaranteed that Washington’s provocations of the Russian government will continue until Putin has only two choices: surrender or war. Putin is capable of surrendering, but will the Russian General Staff take the decision out of his hands? The war will be due not only to Washington’s aggressions but also to Putin’s lack of response and strategic ability.

I have wondered if the shakeup of the Russian generals with departures and indictments are actually moves against corruption as announced or moves against Russian patriots who think they are watching Putin’s sell out of Russia to Washington, just as the CIA and US Joint Chiefs of Staff saw America’s leader, US President John F. Kennedy, selling out America to the Soviet Union.

Putin’s inability to put his foot down, except verbally, is leading the world into nuclear war. Putin’s new weapon lets him pretend the war won’t be nuclear, but it will be, because no one but Putin has the new super weapon. Putin and Lavrov’s warnings about war are always undercut by their own denials. Consequently, Russian warnings carry zero weight.

We cannot look to Trump for peace. Trump has appointed mainly a Zionist government. Having lost Syria, Russia is on the defensive. Part of making America great again is the restoration of Washington’s hegemony, which Putin challenged until he collapsed. What this means is that it is unrealistic to expect Trump to agree to a Ukrainian settlement on Putin’s announced terms.

If Trump agrees to Putin’s reasonable terms, the presstitute media will discredit Trump with his own supporters by declaring him a Putin agent who settled Putin’s aggression on Putin’s terms. Trump will become the President “who lost Ukraine.”

It remains to be seen how much longer the Russian General Staff will tolerate Putin’s ineptitude as a war leader.

#67

There is much PCR states as fact which can be explained by an alternative theory. There is also a lot I agree with. I’m just waiting for the better thinkers here to say they think.

#68

Hi folks, two points:

  1. Putin has declared who are the enemy and they do not include civilian Slavs hence the cautious approach. Putin has deliberately sought to avoid actions that amount to war crimes - unlike the crimes of the West.

  2. The West has taken 8 years to create massive fortifications which have not been easy to overcome or outflank.

Cheers

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#69

Do I trust anyone anymore? Not really. Everything is plausible, not just the good things.

It is easy to pin blame on VVP. And it’s all too easy to ignore the many facts too. There are two large ones above my post (Thanks @CJ1 ).

There’s the fact that Putin has rescued Russia and given Rothschild the middle finger. He’s clouted billionaires like unruly children and has restored belief in Russia itself. He is ex KGB. This alone makes him one hell of an enigma. Did he play Klaus like a spook would, gaining his confidence? Did he get played trying to at the table if the west (he would have taken it, but would he invade randomly (ignoring Libya, is not the same as going in)?) Or was he willingly part of the plan (seen Kingsman movie?) Who knows, we won’t. But maybe our kids will?

I suspect Syria has been sacrificed as part of a bigger plan. Countries only ever have interests. Iraq is looking weak and feeble in the big picture. Isn’t that part of Greater Israel too? Or maybe Egypt? Someone’s getting it, and it won’t be too long to wait.

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#70

And yet the Russians are making the same mistake as the Iranians. They are leaving airfields intact when it would be oh so simple to finish any possibility of attack by aircraft.

Like many of you, I don’t trust any state actor and very few politicians.

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#71

Curioser and curioser…
Including the article within. Like, the Biden dead duck administration intends moving to oppose the threat of stability in Syria. They don’t have much time for that, but the UK is on tow.

Looks like Russia is the real strategic target in Syria.

But other than that Trump seems unlikely to get on too well with the Starmer regime, it’s hard to make sense of this in any detail.

Supports Alex Kramer’s kind of view just posted by @Rich in the other thread, that Boris Johnston gambled the UK’s finances on Ukrainine ‘winning’ or at least destabilising Russia; if so then staying in the game - using our worsening assets in the hope of a late win via Syria - might make sense in an insane or desperate way.

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Syria’s new leadership asserts strategic alliance with Russia

  • By Al Mayadeen English
  • Source: Agencies
  • 29 Dec 2024 17:47
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3 Min Read

Al-Sharaa says that the new Syrian leadership does not wish for Russia’s presence in Syria to end “in a manner that is inconsistent” with their longstanding bilateral relationship.

The leader of Syria’s new regime forces, Ahmad al-Sharaa underscored the country’s strong strategic ties with Russia during an interview with Al Arabiya released on Sunday. While discussing Moscow’s global standing, al-Sharaa stated, “Russia is the second most powerful state in the world. It is of great importance. Syria shares strategic interests with Russia.”

Speaking to the Saudi state news channel, al-Sharaa, also known as Abu Mohammad al-Jolani, said that the new Syrian leadership does not wish for Russia’s presence in Syria to end “in a manner that is inconsistent” with their longstanding bilateral relationship.

In comments to Sputnik on Sunday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated that Moscow had not been informed of any plans by Syria’s interim government to revisit agreements related to Russia’s military presence.

“Undoubtedly, the change of power that has taken place and the change in the state of affairs on the ground are making certain adjustments regarding the Russian military presence in Syria. It is not only about preserving our bases or strongholds, but also about the conditions of their operation, maintenance and provision, and interaction with the local side. These topics could be the subject of negotiations with the new Syrian leadership,” Lavrov said.

Moreover, the situation in Syria does not impact the comprehensive agreement established between Russia and Iran, the foreign minister affirmed, adding that it was ready to be signed and officiated.

He described the agreement as comprehensive, long-term, and adaptable to all circumstances, requiring no amendments despite the change in Syrian leadership. Lavrov highlighted that the agreement reflects significant progress in bilateral relations and elevates them to the level of a strategic partnership.

US-UK directing attacks on Russian military bases in Syria

On Saturday, Sputnik reported that the US and the UK are preparing terrorist attacks against Russian military bases in Syrian territory, citing Russia’s SVR…

According to statements issued by the press bureau of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), ISIS field commanders have been supplied with attack drones to target Russian military bases in Syria, as the outgoing US administration and British leadership aim to hinder efforts to stabilize the situation in Syria.

“According to information received by the SVR, the outgoing US administration and the British leadership, with the overthrow of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, are aiming to prevent the stabilization of the situation in this country. More broadly, they aim to maintain a state of chaos in the Middle East,” the report read.

The aim, according to the SVR, is to maintain US-UK dominance and achieve their geopolitical objectives in the region “based on the odious concept of a rules-based order.” However, the bigger plot is challenged by the Russian presence on the Mediterranean coast of Syria, which still majorly preserves regional stability.

The statement also indicated that the US plans to continue occupying Syria’s oil-rich regions east of the Euphrates River under the pretext of fighting ISIS, emphasizing that Washington has no intention of leaving these areas.

#72

Alex Krainer has plenty more to say:

He seems a pretty bright laddie (must be if he agrees so much with us . . . ) but what he and most otherwise OK commentators don’t appear to get is the BRICS support of the globalists’ agenda; UN sustainability goals, WHO scamdemic preparedness, the whole bloody shebang (look at the shite they agree on and issue after their cosy chats, last one Kazan). It’ll be the same world (mis)government with a different set of middle & junior managers.

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#73

Indeed @AlanG. I’ve ponder a fair few hours on this. My gut instinct says you’re correct. It’s a safe assumption that Kayfabe is being used to deceive the masses.

The only reasonable explanation is, there is no choice. Yes TINA. But not how we’re used to. It’s about who gets there first.

Best example I can give of this is when Windows went 64bit. For decades, Microsoft and Intel worked together. This gave Intel an edge over others. Then AMD brought out the 64bit chip. Instructions were provided and created through joint efforts. When Intel caught up, they tried to make Microsoft change the underlying instructions, Microsoft said NO!

Whoever gets there first wins the century. They win control over finance, data and control. It’s inescapable. Look at China if you want an idea. In China, social credit scores are used to promote better behaviour. Jordan wouldn’t be going on holiday if she was Chinese.

But we’re stuck at trust no one, so can only spectate to confirm our suspicions.

#74

Hi Alan,

Did you have something like this in mind?

https://youtube.com/shorts/xBYA0kZztwg?si=2_TcpOuafRLANPFQ