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Shamima Begum loses challenge against removal of British citizenship

"In the latest stage of the former Isis bride’s legal battle against the British government, the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) had considered arguments that she was made “de-facto stateless” after being trafficked to Syria.

Story link: Decision to remove Shamima Begum’s British citizenship was lawful, court rules | The Independent

A summary of the judgment said there was “credible suspicion” that Begum had been trafficked to Syria for sexual exploitation as a child, and “arguable breaches of duty” by state bodies who failed to stop her leaving the UK.

But Mr Justice Jay found that those factors were not a bar to her British citizenship being removed, and that issues around whether Begum travelled to Syria voluntarily and poses a threat “are for the Secretary of State to evaluate and not for the Commission”.

“The commission has been unable to conclude that the secretary of state erred in any material respect,” the ruling said."

Hmm.

She was trafficked for sexual exploitation as a child
She was also a child when she “travelled to Syria voluntarily”.

Well then she had underage sex “voluntarily”. But underage sex doesn’t exist “voluntarily” in British law as a child can’t consent.

It should not be hard for the law to see to see that a child in an adult world is vulnerable to more than one influence, given that they have already identified one.

After three pregnancies and three dead children in three years, this (now) woman is of a different view.

The basis of the removal of citizenship is that allegedly Begum can claim citizenship in Bangladesh, as her parents came from there.
But the Bangladesh government warns that she could be executed if she tried to live there.
The government, FGS.

Only well heeled lawyers would have the brass neck to argue that this does not conflict with normal human rights; the same rights that are applied to refugees - let alone citizens, to whom the government owes a duty.

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Apologies to asses

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It’s an absolute bloody disgrace that this poor suffering, abused young woman can’t come back to live in the only country in the world that she knows as home. A horror story, cynically contrived by the ukstate government to play on peoples’ racist impulses. Disgusting. FFS, can’t we admit that kids in their teens get up to all sorts of daft escapades, which they regret later? Can’t we grow a bit of understanding and compassionate generosity of spirit?

A threat to bleedin’ British security indeed. And some scumbag Paedominster politician-on-the-make is a fit person to arbitrate her case? Bollocks! Just effing bollocks! The sodding British judiciary is as rotten as just about everything else in the ukstate ruling apparatus. But what else can you expect from a grovelling satrapy of the rotten - and collapsing - Anglozionist empire?

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Zero sympathy. None whatsoever. And I say this as someone who screwed up as a youth and paid for decades after.

“I was okay with beheadings and executions”

“Killing women and children is fair retaliation”

She was old enough to know what she was doing, and it wasn’t running off to join the circus. It’s obvious she is being scapegoated but play stupid games, win stupid prizes

Hi LocalYokel. A lot of people don’t have sympathy for her, but courts are supposed to be about rules and laws.
Two days ago I heard on the radio of a UK ‘hero’ that had been killed in Ukraine. Similar to Begum, but believed in the ‘right’ side. And was fully adult. And not a woman, with all the additional exploitation.
Had he not been killed he would have returned to a hero’s welcome.

The court said there was credible evidence she was trafficked for sexual exploitation.

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There’s credible evidence that Begum was groomed and taken to Syria by the Canadian intelligence service. Once in Syria, Begum and her cohorts were taken charge of by MI6, who were/are running the ISIS operation in Syria.

That aside, Begum was 15-years-old at the time, and as such was below the age of criminal responsibility, and as such these harsh measures against her are against UK law.

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Criminal responsibility is from 10 here in the UK, not 16. And from experience as a stupid skinny teenage twit trying to be a wide boy, most criminals under 16 are well aware that what they do is wrong.

Are you thinking of children not being tried as adults?

Credible evidence is waffle in courts.

The legal system is a game. If you don’t play the game, chances are that you’ll lose.

Credible evidence is not evidence. It’s added weight to a claim. Doesn’t matter if the source is legit, it’s inadmissible and therefore only mentionable.

In my case, there was huge volumes of credible evidence that my dad’s death (via MND) was the causation of my stupidity. Doesn’t mean squat, didn’t back then either.

All spins back to play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

@RhisiartGwilym . I wish you’d just tell it like it is :wink: :sweat_smile:

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I am, Pat. Angry vengefulness, especially when whipped up by lying pols and mediawhores, does absolutely no-one any good, least of all those who harbour it. Compassion, mercy and forgiveness are the only wisdom. That’s what we’re here for.

It’s a bent game - the court’s explanation is illogical, in its own terms. You can’t send refugees to a country where there is a likelihood of persecution, and the intended country’s governement says she could be executed. Might even be a threat, anyway as Bangladesh says she will not be allowed in the govt should not be abe to pretend she has dual nationality.
More likely, the aim is just to keep her rotting in a Syrian camp forever, as a deterrent to others.
If there’s credible evidence she was trafficked there must be reasonable doubt as to her guilt of anything - unless the decision is really about thought crimes, or making a political example. If that’s the reality, we should be honest about it.
She hasn’t been charged with anything as far as know.

Can you really expect a child to play the legal game when it’s bent?

“All spins back to play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”

I can see the point you’re making, and she could have got killed in Syria - but why would it not apply to those heroes going to Ukraine?

Because the heroes are advancing the message. However, I’ve seen more than enough mercs either blown to pieces or terrified of being there. Karma has become nemesis. They’ve played and won too.

Moving on, propaganda demands that our chaos is good. Regardless. If you’re asleep, you believe. If you’re not, you seek answers.

As I get older, I’m not so sure. And I don’t like that I’m questioning this. I’m a carer day to day. And morally, I don’t like to see others suffer.

And that’s where the problems begin. I begin to build sympathy for her plight. I imagine what it would be like to be her (as best as I can). Problems begin to occur soon after.

Why did she not try to escape?
Why has she not done anything whatsoever to prevent others making the same mistakes?
Why did she say what she said concerning execution etc?

Considering how she could have ended up like either Jihadi John or the White Widow, she’s done okay.

One last thing. Seems the usual liberals are making a fuss because again they can be seen to be doing something. It’s absolutely useless for the majority (which is painful when our current trajectory is considered) just so they can pat each other on the back and sup prosecco…

This garners the most sympathy for Begum from me.

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Hi again LY, thanks for sharing your stuff.
Maybe sympathy is irrelevant? Government and courts comprise the system. If they are held to account they will spread far less misery. Criticizing ‘liberals’ is too easy IMO. If everyone complained about injustice, regardless of sympathy, the system would improve.

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The thing that astounds me the most in all of this Begum debacle is the raging hypocrisy surrounding it - that’s to say, was Begum not allied with the very side that was being covertly supported by western gvts? Have I got that right? I think so - therefore it amazes me when I hear the frothing commentary from the Hartley-Brewers et al in the media circus - they fulminate no end about Begum, yet not one of them has the bollocks / intelligence / honesty to acknowledge that Begum was in essence doing (un)official UK gov bidding.

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HA! I say ‘astounds me’ when in fact it doesn’t at all really - all par for the filthy course…

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“The thing that astounds me the most in all of this Begum debacle is the raging hypocrisy surrounding it - that’s to say, was Begum not allied with the very side that was being covertly supported by western gvts? Have I got that right? I think so”

I believe you do have that bit right, NewSi. I know what you mean about that ‘amazement’ - it’s kind of cumulative, surpassing itself in total .

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A good c.f. is this pillock British mercenary, I think his name is Pinner. He was captured near Mariupol and actually sentenced to death but was then released. Now he’s claiming Bad Russians ™ tortured him using electrocution and the only sane response is to send F16s to Ukraine tomorrow. I am not making this up.

If Shamima Begum did not exist we would have to invent her: another convenient wax dummy for the Islamophobe pins to be stuck into. Reminds me somewhat of ‘Osama Bin Laden’ and ‘Jihadi John’ etc.

I’m with @Rhis on this one, the whole thing is a charade.

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Some good points made (I don’t know who the White Widow is/was, but never mind, I has serge injun and know how to use it). ‘Shamima Begum’ is a convenient caricature for projecting This Week’s Thing onto (and the current Progressive Performative Outrage™ is proof positive. But she’s also, as I commented elsewhere, a perfect poppet to stick pins into.

Isn’t that convenient! Why this? Why now?

Will any of those able-bodied male refugees of fighting age that are being defended by the Guardianista ‘Left’, and attacked by the haters on the Far Right, turn out to be similar Trojan Horses? To even ask that must make me fash, no??

Such questions, and LY’s valid questions too, ought not to exclude compassion for a fellow human who has seemingly been exploited mercilessly.

So so many psyops at the moment, it is hard to stay sane… and I don;t even watch/read the news so can only imagine how bad it is for the Normies.

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Good to hear that you are getting up some sympathy for her, LY. I’d just add, as a possible answer to your queries: that she’s been living continuously in the Anglozionist-induced shambles of occupied Northern Syria, getting knocked up whether she would or no, trying to nurture three pregnancies in that hell-hole, trying to rear three infants and watching them all die; that’s the story I hear.

I really don’t see how she could have time, energy or attention left for anything else, in those circumstances.

I’d give it a good bet that, come thirty or so, and with two-pennorth of respite from her appalling situation, she would be feeling remorse and mea culpa coming over her, pretty certainly. We just have to be compassionate about it. Vengeful anger is simply useless. And as people are pointing out, she was doing exactly what the AZ empire and its groveller-provinces wanted done in Syria. The hypocrisy of the PTshouldn’tB is just cosmic.

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I have zero anger towards this situation. If anything, it’s a facepalm.

They say you’re the only hero in your story. Some of us live long enough to become the bad guy, others come good. Maybe she will.

Oh yeah, didn’t you mention doing a soil guide for growing? I’m at least a year behind, my mother has been recently diagnosed with dementia and I’m really grateful for any shortcut suggestions.

For the record, soil is mostly clay. Drainage is adequate.

Cheers. Both for the support and the rants

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Assad was (not) saying: we want drag queen story time in Syria

Zelensky is saying: we want drag queen story time in Ukraine, and also give us another 2 billion dollars

And people think I’m making this stuff up…

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