An excellent summary of the way in which NF was treated on these 2 subjects:
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Thanks for post, @CJ1
Itās interesting that Fenton says he followed the climate controversy and the debate over over the Mann J stick, and said āthat was bullshitā.
He also noted that the āclimategateā emailsā¦ revealed the extent of corruption and coercion among key academics who were pushing the climate catastrophe narrative.
This rather familiar message often comes from people who are then dismissed as fringe figures or charlatans by their compliant profession. So itās interesting to hear it from someone who canāt be dismissed in this way - because he is a leading expert talking about his own field, which is at the centre of these models. If academia functioned normally, this would have become a controversy rather than the āconsensusā that has seemingly arisen not through healthy scientific process and debate but by political manufacturingā¦and by old fashioned repression.
Actually, Fenton says that in reality, academia is the opposite to what people think it is.
This is much more than just more covid repression coming out; Fenton lets the cat out of the bag regarding the main government interest in AI:
āI do a lot of work about the use of statistics in poor decision making, one of the things Iām very concerned about is that massive, massive government research funding, I would say the majority, virtually all the govts massive funding, for example, in AI research, is actually dedicated to clever algorithms for censoring people like myself, people who counter what they consider the settled scienceā¦itās all about classifying um, trying to classify what counts as disinformation, and therefore anything that counters the official narrative is counted as disinformation. And it has to be completely censored - it has to make sure that any of our arguments never make it into any of the search algorithms, or gets completely ridiculed.ā
This censorship par excellence is the intended future, with AI at the centre.
For those who manage to reach outwith the netā¦Fenton also experienceed the more brutal forms of repression course, as he recounts.
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How wonderful that this fearless dissident still holds his professorship (sarcasm alert). Unlike, say, David Miller or Christopher Exley. I donāt suppose his concern for the objects of government AI funding has anything to do with his directorship of Agena Ltd.?
Of course it helps reinforce Fentonās (Finkelsteinās) credibility in respect of his other principled stands on behalf of freedom-loving people like us; support for the false religions of virology and genocidal Zionism. Would he be promoted by the likes of Baron Young of Acton otherwise?
āHow wonderful that this fearless dissident still holds his professorship (sarcasm alert).ā
He doesnāt really, Emeritus is just honorary - his career was forced to an end. He canāt publish or teach classes.
You donāt need to alert us to your sarcasm btw AlanG 
, though I donāt get the reason for it here.
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Hi @AlanG - Thanks for the points you make, it would be helpful to have links supporting your comments. I found this in reference to Agena :
It seems this company was formed by Norman Fenton and Professor Martin Neil in 1997 so I donāt think his 28 year old directorship could be related to recent government funding and his comments in the link I posted in response to LocalYokel above are clearly anti AI which is fine by me whether he is seeking to boost his companyās business or not.
As to Norman Fentonās support for Israelās genocidal Zionism , you are absolutely right and I had no idea he is a Jewish Zionist fully propagandised on all Israeli lies on October 7th
see :
I havenāt seen any support for virology from NF but I assume you mean he fails to accept the no virus theories of the Baileys and Cowan and others ( who I still support and note that ironically Sam Bailey has gone through the same smear and job loss process as NF) . His work against Covid and the jab is formidable :
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Hi @AlanG Will you please give us a source for at least the latter (genocidal Zionism)? Iām interested as he has been featured on UK Column and if what you say is correct, Iād like to make sure itās addressed if he is used again.
Late edit: Just read @CJ1 's post above. This answers the question!!
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Hi @CJ1 Have you read Norman Fentonās āpersonal statementā? Either the guy has nothing to do all day, or his statement was put together by 8200 or some other Zio lobby.
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Thanks @PatB
Fentonās statement is dated Oct 2023, so it was essentially put together by the Zionist lobby. The prof has not applied his usual zeal for researching and correcting numbers to this piece of his own work.
That said, and going back to the original post, there is no Zionist propaganda in the video piece, in which significant issues were discussed including the depth of state and corporate-organised flak vs people disagreeing with a (largely false) narrative, and the main purpose of government investiment in AI research being as a tool for seemless censorship of search algorithms.
In those and other respects Fenton has done good service to medical freedom and truth-seekers alike. People can āattackā him elsewhere about his views on the Israeli genocide against Gaza if they want, but it should not be at the expense of the topics that defined the original thread.
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Agreed. I heard nothing in the original that I disagreed with. It really is a pity that guys with his analytical and critical thinking skills canāt seem to get past their own programmed bias. The best one can say is
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All, I do get the good intentions behind the pushback, honest I do.
Back in the day we felt our lives had been saved (hyperbole alert) (alerts are good for helping people not take stuff too seriously!) by Toby Young and his āLockdown Scepticsā site. After a while we twigged what a brilliant limited hangout he was running and have now reverted to rightly despising the lying, manipulating, holocaust-supporting, fascist creep for his own reversion to his default dogshit status.
Forgive me please for taking the same line with anyone else of his ilk. Iām with Caitlin Johnstone on this one. Iām not prepared to engage with anything at all from any of these bottom-feeders (unfair slur on bottom-feeders alert).
By way of illustration, hereās something else (fake-ass alert) celebrated by Fenkleton:
Enough already.
@AlanG , if you get the good intentions, why are you doubling down on them anyway?
How much you detest Fenton is irrelevant to a discussion about how he was treated.
Obviously thatās about censorship, flak etc, relevant to subjects we discuss here - like covid, climate change and AI.
Please stop derailing threads with adhom.
Btw, āIsraeli genocideā is a category here you could discuss that on another thread if you like.
Itās a bit MLā¦but have you looked at the guidelines. Thereās another one suggests improving a thread.
Hi E. Terribly sorry and all that. May I do adhom stuff on Starmer please? And would you mind awfully if I were to wish a slow and painful early death on all the scum promoting the current slaughter of Palestinians? I would only do that with your permission of course.
Sure do anything you want, no permissions needed, nor off-topic apologies! But some respect for what people are actually discussing, on the thread you come in on, would be nice.
Give us āpermissionā to mention people you disagree with about something 
without the thread ending in a litany of sarcasm and naughty words about them.
Start your own threads if you want to change the subjects, donāt derail others.