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Pontius: relevant to a recent Q you asked me: Teaser from Dmitry Orlov's latest essay, re. a message from Paul Craig Roberts

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An excerpt from Dmitry’s latest mailout to his subscribers. I won’t copy-paste the whole essay, because - well, we have a deal. But I will assert that - as usual with him - it’s a wonderful clarifier, and well worth as little as a few USD a month! :slight_smile:

I put up here the quote from PCR, because he’s one of the many voices whom I surf, who seems to me to have - oh, I dunno; maybe an 85% gambler’s-odds reliability rating. (With Dmitry himself? Well over 95%.)

PCR’s quick run-through of some more reasons why the true winner of the - pointless, as Dmitry always insists - POTUS (s)election is pretty obviously Trump. But he’s going to lose the realpolitik upshot, because too many of the real rulers of the collapsing Anglozionist empire are against him, and willing to do any scofflaw stunt to oust him, no matter how blatant. Hence my increasingly odds-on assurance that the (s)election was stolen, and not even all that secretly. The thug-gics in the US are now so desperate about the fall of their empire that they’re past caring. Here’s the clip from Dmitry:

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Just this morning I got a missive from Paul Craig Roberts containing the following bullet points:

• Joe Biden’s Twitter account has 20 million followers. Trump’s Twitter account has 88.8 million followers.
• Joe Biden’s Facebook account has 7.78 million followers. Trump’s Facebook account has 34.72 million followers. How likely is it that a person with four to five times the following of his rival lost the election?
• Joe Biden, declared by the biased presstitutes to be president by landslide, gave a Thanksgiving Day message and only 1,000 people watched his live statement. Where is the enthusiasm?
• Trump’s campaign appearances were heavily attended and Biden’s were avoided. Somehow a candidate who could not draw supporters to his campaign appearances won the presidency.
• Despite Biden’s total failure to animate voters during the presidential campaign, he received 15 million more votes than Barack Obama did in his 2012 re-election.
• Biden won despite underperforming Hillary Clinton’s 2016 vote in every urban US county, but outperformed Clinton in Democrat-controlled Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta, and Philadelphia, the precise cities where the most obvious and most blatant electoral fraud was committed.
• Biden won despite receiving a record low share of the Democrat primary vote compared to Trump’s share of the Republican primary vote.
• Biden won despite Trump bettering his 2016 vote by ten million votes and Trump’s record support from minority voters.
• Biden won despite losing the bellwether counties that have always predicted the election outcome and the bellwether states of Ohio and Florida.
• Biden won in Georgia, a completely red state with a red governor and legislature both House and Senate. Somehow a red state voted for a blue president.
• Biden won despite the Democrats losing representation in the House.
• In Pennsylvania 47 memory cards containing more than 50,000 votes are missing.
• Pennsylvania 1.8 million ballots were mailed out to voters, but 2.5 million mail-in ballots were counted.

Roberts is a Republican and therefore believes that the Democrats stole the election. A Democrat, once it turns out that Trump won after all, would believe the opposite. But that makes no difference because, as I keep repeating, the US is not a democracy and it doesn’t matter who is its president.

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This comment from fellow-subscriber to Dmitry’s Subscribestar account, Isabel, is also worth a look:

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As an expat living in an Andean Nation, I meet a fair few Americans, on an individual basis. I haven’t found one I can reach, or make sense of or with. I thought maybe all expats are a bit weird [after all, I am one :slight_smile: ] but studying the nation from a distance I can only conclude that no, they are not rational, and indeed what rationality is there is that of a child between about 5yrs and the big-mouthed, bullying lout of 15 yrs {i.e. the Pompeo stereotype}. I was informed a couple of years back, (after voicing this opinion) by a contact, who related how she had been informed by a psychologist and behavioural counsellor from Europe, that on visiting America he had been told to remember that the scales, tests, and standard procedures don’t work in US - especially with the males. Use the ones for kids and teens. He did - to effect. Quite why they have this undeveloped persona I guess no-one knows, but it seems to be close to universal. I have to add, the most hysterical people around here,re the “wear mask, dont come close, the mysterious phantom virus will get you” are ALL Americans. They live in fear of everything. And they have access to the Big Red Button. It’s a worry.

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#2

PS: This is a telling remark from Dmitry also:

“…the shale oil gamble is over. Drilling rates have collapsed, many shale oil companies are bankrupt, and US oil production is set to plummet from over 12 million barrels per day at its peak to around 5 million by next June (according to Art Berman, whose opinion I trust).”

Art, a veteran oil-geologist, is one of the multiple voices on the great cacophonous forum of the internet whom I would trust pretty highly too, on his record and his unremitting honesty; an estimated 90%. Interesting times ahead for the US. Perhaps the Biden puppeteers deserve what they are about to receive… :smile:

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#3

For what its worth, I agree with Orlov and PCR, that Trump won the election. Clearly, to any semi-objective observer, there was massive fraud in the vote count, both mail-in and actual, all in favour of Biden. However, let’s not forget in all the permanent bullshit blizzard ( :wink:), the first major fraudulent use of vote counts to affect the outcome of an election, was started by the Republicans in 2000 and that’s how the US got George Bush. Maybe what ye sow, so shall ye reap. And for the Republicans to cry foul, when they too are neck deep in the pile of voter roll manipulation, (Please don't blame them [native Americans] if Biden turns out to be a turkey) is just totally hypocritical.

Nuff said

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People who know more about US history than I suggest that vote swindling in US elections has been going on for longer than the - very obvious - 2000 swindle. I can’t judge; don’t know enough about it. Considering the rest of the US’s unremittingly bloody and self-justifying history, I would be surprised if vote-fiddling wasn’t a regular thing there too.

BTW, Pat, the quote above that you attribute to me is actually Dmitry’s; though I agree with it completely. Who gives a damn which rancid prancer is in the White House? The real rulers continue with their policies pretty well undisturbed in any case, whilst the groundling-hypnotising poseur-marionette hogs the limelight.

#5

Thanks Rhis,

Interesting points by PCR. Ultimately I’m not convinced by the simple fact that Trump and co have been moving heaven and earth to find the slightest evidence of systematic fraud, and so far found none. Not even in States with extremely pro-Trump Governors. I’m not surprised by States like Arizona, incidentally, which were predicted to go for Biden due to shifting demographics there.

Measuring things like Twitter followers is essentially meaningless as it’s quite literally impossible to know how many of those followers are real humans, how many are bots, how many in the US and how many elsewhere etc.

What PCR is missing is that there may not be huge enthusiasm for Biden, but there was a massive desire to get rid of Trump.

Anyways, I do agree that the entire process is corrupt from beginning to end and that there is no real democracy in the US to speak of. Biden will surely take us down the road to extinction just as determinedly as Trump would have.

Cheers

#6

Here’s the full article from which Dmitry quotes, P. It contains later a longish eulogy to Trump’s superior efforts as a populist president, for which a bucket of salt my be needed. :slight_smile: But the whole piece, plus the longish list of references at the end seem to me plenty enough to put to bed finally the lies - sic! - of ‘unsubstantiated claims’ and ‘no evidence produced’ which the beeb and other generators of the PBB have been pushing.

If these witness assertions, some of which Paul quotes as examples, don’t constitute at least prima facie evidence of election fraud, then what does?

Like Paul, I doubt that the Trumpistas will be able to get the Biden fake ‘win’ cancelled. But, like Paul, I think that means of the end of any credibility at all to the assertion of US democratic commitment. This is all part of The Five Stages of Collapse of the US empire, I’d say. Now well advanced. And, like Dmitry, I don’t believe it matters a damn which of the venal clowns, Trump or Biden (or any other such puppet) is in the White House, because USAmerica is not a democracy, and doesn’t operate, in its key activities, according to its alleged Constitution. The pretence that it does is strictly to keep the groundlings, both at home and abroad, hypnotised.

#7

Cheers RG, I’ll have a read. If the evidence is extensive though, I wonder how the trump team lost 36 straight court cases across 6 different states?

Well… I say that, but I also have zero faith in the US justice system so what the hell do I know about anything?

#8

Ultimately, P, I get more and more oppressed by the feeling that there seem to be literally zero sources of information that can be trusted 100%. I fall back continually on intuition, backed by my on-board bet-ometer calculating how the odds feel to stack in any particular instance. Unsatisfactory, I know. But I don’t know what else to do. In the end, I just go with whatever the seat-of-the-pants intuitive odds-diviner suggests is ‘highly likely’ - ! Hah! :slight_smile:

And also remain ready at ALL times to do an instant root-and-branch clear-out of previously held hypotheses as new evidence - of some apparent - and also fundamentally incalculable - weight looms up. Bloody awkward, innit? :smile:

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#9

So it looks like there might be an audit of some of the voting machines… I’m following your advice, RG and keeping an open mind.

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My bet is that the legal biz will drag on, finally petering out with a lot of fudge which will amount to: ‘Yeah there were some swindles, but they didn’t make much difference, and we promise to do better in future. And no, no-one should do prison time for any of this. And yes, voting in the US will continue to be managed by private, unaccountable computer racketeers, in other countries, and that’s fine. So now STFU and go back to watching your preferred screen-hypnosis! (Those few of you who are still taking any notice of this fiddle at all…)’

It all depends on the pathologically-shortened attention-and-commitment-span of USAnians. By next year it will be time for the new fads, whatever they will be. An armed rising by discontented citizens? A lot more USAnians have to fall out of their comfortable dream-lives into the destitution of the homeless underclass before that even becomes feasible.

Meanwhile, the Praetorian swamp-guard will sweep on with their installation of their preferred scarecrow, and the PBB machine will ignore the legal and constitutional realities, and push the Praetorian preference as if it were all legit and fait accompli: properly done by impeccable due process, now endorsed by the courts. That will be the line of lying on this scam; with a tremendous hammering also on any distraction that comes up - or can be worked up. The covid hoax may still be delivering by then, even, for this purpose. After all, it’s barely a month away now before the Orange One gets evicted, one way or another.

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