Was sent this by a Greek contact, didn’t understand all of it but the guys talking about the apparent dangers of nasal swabs talk in English; is this scaremongering nonsense, or something to be concerned about ?
I wouldn’t personally want anything like that penetrating me, regardless of what it’s made of. Fact check sites seem to say the sterilisation method is common, if not ubiquitous, and dangers exaggerated. I’m inclined to believe that, this time.
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Thanks for the reply; well obviously I hope it’s safe, especially as I’ve had it done three times; however I have to say that the first time, it was done with long sticks, and they were put in so deep that I was in agony, one of the worse pains I’ve experienced, that was at a hospital because I was to have a minor surgical procedure done; the other two times it was a local quick testing site as I may have been in contact with a positive person, and those times, unpleasant yes, but no comparison with the pain I experienced the first time; shorter sticks & not so deeply inserted. Just a thought though, although the sterilisation method may be common, how common is it to have that substance inserted near your brain ?
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The swabbing epidemic is just another depravity - I see it been done at my workplace as a matter of course by volunteers - people with no medical training apart from a 5 minutes or so demonstration by somebody purporting to qualified. As I understand it, nasal swabs are particularly dangerous as they risk damage to the blood brain barrier. Swabbing is just another danger - along with mask use - that the deranged gvt and Sage are placing before the general populace!
As Karen stated if you try to google about it, all the “FactCheck” sites, as well as medical sites say that nasal swabs are not dangerous, but how reassuring is that ? Anyhow it’s not so much the physical damage danger that the guys in the Greek video were concerned with, but more the apparently cancer causing sterilizing agent, being applied so close to the brain. Another thought, I wonder if the infamous Covid loss of smell condition is linked to this in any way.
Have nothing to do with any of the ‘tests’ and ‘vaccines’, as a blanket rule. Considering the obvious scam landscape in which we find ourselves, NOTHING that the powers-that-shouldn’t-be recommend to us is to be taken with anything but profound mistrust - and where possible with determined avoidance; very much including these ridiculous swabs.
Make a practice of ducking, weaving and dodging the Covid Police at all times. Lie to and swindle the authorities as much as you can, to match their swindling of us. In practice, there’s no system at all in place in the current shambles to police and enforce all the mandates currently laid on us. It’s all full of holes, and relies entirely on panicked people toeing the lines voluntarily - as increasing numbers are quietly declining to do. Good for them!
For your health regarding covid, strengthen your immune system with all the known life-style prophylactics - prudent food, regular at-least-mild physical activity like walking, sunshine and fresh air, and the essential food-supplements to boost our defective intake from modern diets. As prime examples of those, take two to three grams a day of slow-release vitamin C, plus several times the current Brit RDA of vitamin D, both as regular daily prophylactics, to avoid illness even starting.
Avoid masks - near-totally useless, and bad for you - any way you can, as much as practicable. When the Police aren’t actually breathing down your neck, wear a mask, if you have to, with your nose out, and breathing thus. This is virtually as good as being maskless, and can be done craftily for most of any unavoidable mask-up situation. It’s practically un-policeable. If nagged, say that they make you breathless and dizzy. This seems to shut most line-toers up pretty quickly. I play the poor decrepit old pensioner on his last legs shamelessly about this. I also assert that I’m exempted (not mentioning that it was me who exempted me). Works like a charm! 
Once you’re doing all this, expose yourself to any and every situation that is now alleged to be dangerous - it isn’t - catch the pathogen, and let your natural immunity deal with it, add it to its immune library, and leave you with barely any awareness of having been infected, but with a well-exercised and refreshed immune system; natural, complete, balanced and persistent (things you won’t get from the commercial experimental injectables). If feeling a bit ropey and in need of support during this normal, natural, traditional immunisation process (aka ‘being down with a cold/flu’), nebulised hydrogen peroxide in right dilution with distilled water is a fast comforter and recovery aid. Joe Mercola recommends a mains nebuliser, not battery-powered, since they don’t have the required punch. He also lays out on his website precise details of how to treat yourself with H2O2.
I had covid last year, and it was as mild and untroublesome as sketched above; because even at my age I came to it with a beefy, vigorous immune system, an equally beefy mental attitude, never even slightly buying into last Spring’s initial hyper-panic, and a stock of two kilograms of ascorbic acid/sodium ascorbate, taken at 30 grams a day (a heaped teaspoonful is about five grams; ultra-precise measurement not important), in water, in half-hourly divided doses, plus two x one-a-day multivit tabs per day with food. Self-treated thus for three days. All that was needed.
Is this medical advice? Yes. Am I a doctor? No. And so what? It’s still true, sound, traditional practice, that works as well for the covid flu as for any of its predecessors. We are being lied to comprehensively, and there’s no need to take any of the alarmist, sheep-stampeding blabbering even slightly seriously. It has virtually zero substance.
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Thanks, all sounds like good advice; however the problem is essential one of blackmail, if you don’t comply, wear the mask, get the jab etc then you can’t do x,y,z; the main one, for me at least, is international travel, not just for holidays, but to visit family, I haven’t been able to see my parents for over a year, and recently my mum became poorly due to a heart problem, which was touch & go at one stage, so you can imagine how traumatic that was, compounded by not be able to be with her; thankfully she’s on the road to recovery, but asks me most days when will she see me again; the answer to that involves getting the jabs, which I much rather not do, but if I have to, then I will no matter how much I don’t want to. .
I hear dastardly stories like this all the time 123. As my friends living the urban/suburban life tell me, the pressure from everyone to conform is potent and relentless. Already several old friends who I KNOW know better have crumpled and taken the poison, precisely because of the kind of frankly-criminal blackmail that you describe.
Fortunately, living the life of a reclusive hermit, in the country, I meet very little of this vileness, in practice, and it’s relatively easy for me to defy it all, which I do with relish, because it’s necessary, to show a good example, and because any resistance makes me feel better. My friends, otoh, are deep into cleft sticks; very little real choice allowed them. This covid racket is a shit-sandwich banquet!
done with long sticks, and they were put in so deep that I was in agony
Exactly.
It’s the potential for physical damage that concerns me, and have heard many similar stories about deeply penetrating swab. Any gunk on the swab magnifies the potential for damage, I’m sure.
There’s a lot of critical ‘kit’ in that part of the head. Mine may not function in the ‘typical’ way but: thanks, but no thanks.
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I’m angered not just about the intrusive and dangerous aspect for the individual undergoing the swabbing - it’s the nefarious use that’s made of the meaningless data that is drawn from the subsequent PCR tests (the govt’s 'gold standard of testing if you bleeding please!) - they use the useless stats to hammer us harder and justify the ongoing imprisonment of populations worldwide.
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Avoid masks - near-totally useless, and bad for you - any way you can, as much as practicable.
Damn right, RG. I’m currently having a bit of a ding dong with TLN head honcho about masks - there have been a few threads on there lately about masks - - it’s astonishing the way people just accept the ghastly things.
You might want to highlight over there that a court in Germany has ruled against masks in school, stating masks are a danger to mental, physical or psychological wellbeing to such an extent that, if they continue to develop without intervention, there is a high degree certainty of considerable harm Sensationsurteil aus Weimar: keine Masken, kein Abstand, keine Tests mehr für Schüler - 2020 NEWS I myself stopped bothering with TLN, at least from participating in it; unpleasant as it was dealing with the blinkered resident enforcers of conformity, the real problem is the guy with the power, as he’s always ready to use that power on any pretext if you have the temerity to disagree with him. Leave them to their leader worshiping self-righteous echo chamber as participation is really not worth the effort, instead just profit from picking-up any interesting links posted there.
Forgot to mention that a French friend’s wife is a teacher, who has to wear a mask all day at school, as do the kids, and they have to gel & wash their hands so many times that some of the kids started to suffer from hand eczema; yet despite all this, there was a Covid outbreak at the school, affecting both pupils & teachers. Seems to suggest that all that mask wearing & handing washing was all in vain.
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I don’t know about the oxygen effect but there is a CO2 effect which is significant enough to be stressful, as anyone who has tried to wear a party type ‘fun’ mask for any length of time will know…
Have you seen this Highwire clip
Mask registered level of CO2 over 10,000 ppm after a short while. According to both scales below, 1/4 of harmful level (one says even death).
Stress in breathing causes knockon effects, as any doctor will tell you (unless it’s an argument about masks).
I saw a link recently to some research that said stressed people are much more likely to get covid-19 than unstressed people. Story here, but no link to the study.
They put it down to increased levels of the stress hormone cortisol - which shouldn’t be a surprise to savvy doctors.
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(Rest below is pasted after quick look, can’t vouch for it)
- What are safe levels of CO and CO2 in rooms?
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What are safe levels of CO and CO2 in rooms?
CO2
250-400ppm Normal background concentration in outdoor ambient air
400-1,000ppm Concentrations typical of occupied indoor spaces with good air exchange
1,000-2,000ppm Complaints of drowsiness and poor air.
2,000-5,000 ppm Headaches, sleepiness and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present.
5,000 Workplace exposure limit (as 8-hour TWA) in most jurisdictions.
40,000 ppm Exposure may lead to serious oxygen deprivation resulting in permanent brain damage, coma, even death.
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Levels of Carbon Dioxide and Ailments Associated With Those Levels
250-350 ppm: Considered average outdoor air level.
350 -1,000 ppm: average level found in indoor spaces with fair air exchange.
1,000-2,000 ppm: can cause drowsiness.
2,000-5,000 ppm: can cause headaches, sleepiness, low concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate, and nausea.
5,000 ppm: Indicates unusual air conditions where high levels of other gases also could be present. Toxicity or oxygen deprivation could occur. Note: This is the permissible exposure limit for daily workplace exposures.
40,000 ppm: This level is immediately harmful due to oxygen deprivation.
Conditions Caused by Carbon Dioxide
Hypercapnia
Hypercapnia, or hypercarbia, is a medical condition arising from too much carbon dioxide in the blood. Hypercapnia has several causes, such as hypoventilation (breathing at an abnormally slow rate), lung disease, or being exposed to unusually high carbon dioxide concentrations caused by rebreathing exhaled carbon dioxide.
The following is a list of possible symptoms:
Drowsiness
Dizziness
Excessive Fatigue
Headaches
Disorientation
Flushed Skin
Shortness of Breath
Sick Building Syndrome
Sick building syndrome (SBS) is used to describe a situation in which the occupants of a building experience acute health issues that appear to be linked directly to the time spent in the building, even though no specific illness or cause can be identified. High CO2 levels are sometimes to blame for this syndrome.
Symptoms include:
Headache
Eye, Nose, or Throat Irritation
Dry Cough
Dry or Itchy Skin
Dizziness
Nausea
Concentration Issues
Fatigue
Odor Sensitivity
Advice…
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I wrote off the situation at the Leaky Hulk some time ago, Si. It’s obviously chronically bad, and equally obvious that dan has no intention of changing the set up which he controls unilaterally. ‘All power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.’ Shame.
It had been a pretty good forum formerly. Covid, and the astonishing vulnerability of so many of the regular contributors - who had seemed such independent-minded dissident non-line-toers previously - to absolutely mind-emptying Terror Derangement Syndrome wrecked it. So many of them fell at the first seriously-challenging fence. Pathetic.
Evvy, it was this demo by Del B which finally fixed my determination, when I first saw it, to defy the mask at all times, no matter what. It’s not just a matter of looking after my own breathing, but the damned things are so iniquitous to all, particularly to children, that it becomes a public duty to demonstrate that you won’t conform, to encourage others to take the same self-liberation step. ‘Be the change you want to see.’
Hi folks, @NewSi I don’t pretend to understand the Alveolar gas equation but I did look at the wikipest link at tln and noted this:
“The equation relies on the following assumptions:
Inspired gas contains no carbon dioxide (CO2)”
Looking at the High Wire experiment mentioned by E above breathing in CO2 seems to be highly likely to say the least.
If only a scientist could confirm this - well here’s one 
Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson:
" The delusional madness of forcing children to wear face masks blatantly ignores expert warnings: “The child needs the brain to learn, and the brain needs oxygen to function. We don’t need a clinical study for that. This is simple, indisputable physiology.”
This well-known German neurologist and neurophysiologist, Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson, warns of a tsunami of dementia years down the road because of oxygen deprivation from wearing masks today. Are you willing to risk your brain to scientifically unfounded, politically-motivated mandates. ⁃ TN Editor
Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity. This is what she has to say about facemasks and their effects on our brains:
“The reinhalation of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficiency and a flooding of carbon dioxide. We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen deprivation. There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus that can’t be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen – they cannot survive.
The acute warning symptoms are headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, issues in concentration, slowing down of reaction time – reactions of the cognitive system.
However, when you have chronic oxygen deprivation, all of those symptoms disappear, because you get used to it. But your efficiency will remain impaired and the under-supply of oxygen in your brain continues to progress.
We know that neurodegenerative diseases take years to decades to develop. If today you forget your phone number, the breakdown in your brain would have already started 20 or 30 years ago.
While you’re thinking that you have gotten used to wearing your mask and rebreathing your own exhaled air, the degenerative processes in your brain are getting amplified as your oxygen deprivation continues.
The second problem is that the nerve cells in your brain are unable to divide themselves normally. So in case our governments will generously allow as to get rid of the masks and go back to breathing oxygen freely again in a few months, the lost nerve cells will no longer be regenerated. What is gone is gone.
I do not wear a mask, I need my brain to think. I want to have a clear head when I deal with my patients, and not be in a carbon dioxide-induced anaesthesia.
There is no unfounded medical exemption from face masks because oxygen deprivation is dangerous for every single brain. It must be the free decision of every human being whether they want to wear a mask that is absolutely ineffective to protect themselves from a virus.
For children and adolescents, masks are an absolute no-no. Children and adolescents have an extremely active and adaptive immune system and they need a constant interaction with the microbiome of the Earth. Their brain is also incredibly active, as it is has so much to learn. The child’s brain, or the youth’s brain, is thirsting for oxygen. The more metabolically active the organ is, the more oxygen it requires. In children and adolescents every organ is metabolically active.
To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed.
The child needs the brain to learn, and the brain needs oxygen to function. We don’t need a clinical study for that. This is simple, indisputable physiology. Consciously and purposely induced oxygen deficiency is an absolutely deliberate health hazard, and an absolute medical contraindication.
An absolute medical contraindication in medicine means that this drug, this therapy, this method or measure should not be used, and is not allowed to be used. To coerce an entire population to use an absolute medical contraindication by force, there must be definite and serious reasons for this, and the reasons must be presented to competent interdisciplinary and independent bodies to be verified and authorised.
When, in ten years, dementia is going to increase exponentially, and the younger generations couldn’t reach their god-given potential, it won’t help to say “we didn’t need the masks”.
How can a veterinarian, a software distributor, a businessman, an electrical car manufacturer and a physicist decide on matters regarding the health of the entire population? Please, dear colleagues, we all have to wake up.
I know how damaging oxygen deprivation is for the brain, cardiologists know how damaging it is for the heart, pulmonologists know how damaging it is for the lungs. Oxygen deprivation damages every single organ.
Where are our health departments, our health insurance, our medical associations? It would have been their duty to be vehemently against the lockdown and to stop it and stop it from the very beginning.
Why do the medical boards issue punishments to doctors who give people exemptions? Does the person or the doctor seriously have to prove that oxygen deprivation harms people? What kind of medicine are our doctors and medical associations representing?
Who is responsible for this crime? The ones who want to enforce it? The ones who let it happen and play along, or the ones who don’t prevent it?
It’s not about masks, it’s not about viruses, it’s certainly not about your health. It is about much much more. I am not participating. I am not afraid.
You can notice, they are already taking our air to breathe. The imperative of the hour is personal responsibility. We are responsible for what we think, not the media. We are responsible for what we do, not our superiors. We are responsible for our health, not the World Health Organisation. And we are responsible for what happens in our country, not the government.”
she seems pretty definitive to me.
On surgeons’ masks, I believe these were originally used to avoid droplets from the surgeons entering open wounds of the person upon whom they were operating, rather than preventing infection from the patient to the surgeon. So loose fitting masks would be unlikely to retain CO2 ( which would then satisfy the Alveolar condition above) and yet still help to prevent infecting the patient with droplets. The masks were not intended to prevent breathing in viruses or transmitting those viruses , afaik.
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Really quite ridiculous, it’s a bit like a schoolyard antics, the way Dan’s going on. Most people cannot give precise scientific explanations for why they feel dizzy, get headaches etc. from wearing masks. I’d certainly trust my own instinct when it comes to breathing than any number of Alveolar gas equations.
What is this deep belief that everything about the body can be summed up with our present scientific knowledge? And just as with vaccines, he seems to have no interest in possible long term effects of prolonged mask wearing. Only covid and the short-term counts.