Your health adviser June Raine today said about the two allergic reactions to the vaccine that âWe know from our very extensive trials that this was not a featureâ. Apparently there were 132 cases of allergic reaction amongst vaccine takers in the 44,000 volunteers, and 110 amongst those taking the placebo. This compares with about 105 people who developed CV19 taking the placebo, and just SIX of those who took the vaccine.
So out of 44,000 people more had an allergic reaction in the vaccine group than caught coronavirus in the non-vaccine group. This is just the tip of the iceberg however, as future side effects of mRNA vaccine can only be guessed at. The purposeful mispresentation of statistics does not inspire confidence!
Thanks RG. worth listening to all these voices saying the same thing in their own way. that a)there is no pandemic that needs such action to contain it, and b)the vaccine is not just unnecessary but may be dangerous, and we may have to wait months or years before the effects show up.
Thereâs one thing I keep coming back to, which I would investigate but for other problems, and that is that in Victoria there have now been at least 400,000 tests over the last 38 days since there were no new cases, and there have been NO positive cases. This should be conclusive evidence that the test doesnât work, as there should have been scores or hundreds of false positives. But noone ever points this out! And if they find just one positive case another 10,000 people have to get tested. The last time there was a random case, about that many got tested, despite having no symptoms, and found that the virus hadnât spread to a single other person.
Or it means that the way false positives have been discussed is incorrect, and the tests donât throw up that many. I remember China testing a city of 10 million, and everything came back negative. High specificity there, as Iâve said before. I also wonder how many PCR cycles they do in Australia?
The cycles are the key thing, arenât they? Above a certain quite limited number, the âtestâ seems to be certain to pick up just about any old bit of debris in the body fluids, and start screaming: âAaaagh! Positive, positive!!! (er - maybeâŠ)â. No wonder the draconianly-inclined chancers-on-the-make like it so much, and their mediawhores dutifully hammer it daily on the ânewsâ: pick yer own preferred number of cycles (without disclosing it) and get the response you want. The stink is unmissable, it seems to me.
Smells like a dead cat in the middle of the road, as Paul Keating once observed. Noone in Australia would have ever heard of PCR cycles, and I have no idea how many are used here. It depends on whether they want to find virus or not.
However they have tested sewage and claim to have found one piece of RNA in ten million litres, which could mean there is one person somewhere amongst the 10,000 in the suburb who may have once had coronavirus, and perhaps without knowing! These two facts are irreconcilable. But they are still doing thousands of tests a day, and keeping the company coffers overflowing, and the used PPE bins overflowing. Meanwhile the contact tracing teams are busy, preparing network patterns of contacts for anyone working in the hotels etc, so that if there is a case they immediately know where to look!
There are also several other explanations. One is they have simply reduced the number of cycles used in the PCR âtestâ.
Another explanation might be that as itâs almost mid summer, seasonal (winter) respiratory illness disappear all on their own.
Another is that there is no disease called Covid-19 and proper testing just proves that.
Finally, and I wouldnât put it past the Australian reich to use this as a precursor to a new outbreak come autumn and more total lockdowns.
My money is on a combination of the first two.
All good points. All I was saying is that there is more than one possible explanation. I agree that 1 & 2 seem pretty likely. 2 in particular is interesting, as if the virus dies down over the summer (seems like a pretty reasonable assumption now) it means that when there are no cases to find, the PCR test doesnât find any⊠It doesnât automatically throw up loads of false positives. It just doesnât find cases when there are none to find.
Or at least thatâs a possible explanation.
Cheers
Dynamite indeed.
About 22m 20s in, Senta Depuydt (Journalist from Belgium). âOn July 15 the European parliament agreed to remove the need of risk evaluation under the GMO regulations. That decision was made in under ten days, there were no scientific reports, no hearings in health commission, no debates and no discussions. CHD in Europe has asked for the annulment of this decision.â
Of course there have been scathing denials in the media, that silly anti-vaxxers claim two of the mRNA vaccines, can alter our DNA.
They are, however, GMO vaccines. They do muck about with your DNA according to Dr Sheri Tenpenny who says (about 21m in):
âKnow that when they develop this, itâs under the umbrella of the 2005 PREP act. They have complete liability protection and you canât sue them if this vaccine harms you. They have been trying to develop a coronavirus since 2002, when we had SARS. Every animal study that was done (ferrets immune system most mimics the human adult oneâŠalso, rabbits, rat studies) all the animals ended up with a paradoxical immune response, with the antibody levels that were very high, actually accelerated the infection and made it much worse, and allowed the pieces of the virus to go inside the cell, and be incorporated into the DNA of the recipient of the vaccine, in a process called transduction. That transduction irreversibly puts that snip of virus into your DNA and transforms your cells.â
If you want pieces of the virus incorporated into your DNA, roll up your sleeve. What could possibly go wrong?
Being GMO entities, as the note states, legislation had to be quite undemocratically bypassed for those vaccines in order to okay them.
This strengthens the argument that the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) constitute a massive human experiment; legally dubious and undemocratic.
Surely there can be no informed consent without this being explained to the patient or is that law being waived as well.
Just to join up a few dotsâŠ
This, posted a few days ago (by another rabble-rouser 
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Rabble-rousing speech from Robert KennedyJr
And this from RobG on 31 August, Robert Kennedy Jr at the Berlin protest:
The huge rabble in Berlin was well and truly roused, and severely downplayed in the media. Details and background to this story are emerging, including just how RFK happened to be within a social distance of Berlin to jolly along the occasion with his presence; and how âBerlinersâ got the law on their side to all but overcome police resistance to their protests.
As recounted by Senta Depyudt:
What Really Happened in Berlin? CHDâs Senta Depuydt Was There
" The German media are reporting 38,000 people in attendance on August 29 in Berlin while YouTubers claim one million or more. Not a word is being mentioned about Robert Kennedyâs presence at the event on official networks even as the historic speech of the former U.S. presidentâs nephew floods social media. Never has the gap between the institutional press and the alternative media been so wide. What really happened on August 29th in Berlin?
Germany experienced one of the biggest demonstrations in its history on August 29, despite repeated attempts by the Berlin authorities to ban the event. The announcement of the participation of attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. as a last-minute guest reinforced the publicâs mobilization and determination to turn out and defend their freedoms being threatened by the health agendas related to the response to the âpandemic.â
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The will to express oneself
Caught between the imperatives of international strategy and the growing discontent within the population, the German government seems to be losing its footing since the demonstration on August 1st, which brought together more than 800,000 people, many chanting âAngela, dein Volk ist da,â which translates, âyour people are there.â Indeed, in the face of the âdeaf earâ of politics, many members of the movement are now calling for the establishment of a new national assembly to guarantee the rights of the constitution. Inspired in part by yellow vests in France, workshops were born throughout Germany, witnessing the emergence of a popular will in search of sovereignty.
It is not surprising that the government sought to downplay the success of the first demonstration on1 August 1st, stating figures of 17,000 participants, while the images of the large rally in the main aisle âUnter den Lindenâ clearly showed hundreds of thousands. It is also not surprising that the media sought to tarnish the reputations of the organizers who were accused of being Nazis.
Legal battles
As expected, the Berlin authorities tried to ban the August 29 demonstration just before the event. However, as Germany has been scarcely affected by the epidemic, it is becoming increasingly difficult to impose a general health emergency. Unable to âbanâ any demonstration, they withdrew the specific authorization for that event. The response from the organizers was swift. Always anxious to respect the rule of law, they asked their members to make new requests for demonstrations individually. Within hours, more than 6,000 people filled out and submitted the necessary documents. Police stations were flooded with requests from the legal team, while YouTubers relayed the maneuver live to hundreds of thousands of amused spectators. At the same time, the movement was appealing the decision to a federal court. Excitement was high when an influencer dropped the scoop of Kennedyâs arrival on social media. The next morning, it was announced that the federal court had ruled in favour of the protesters and that the event would move forward.
The magic of circumstances
In reality, Kennedyâs presence at the protest had not been scheduled. Kennedy, the board chair of Childrenâs Health Defense (CHD), a nonprofit organization in the U.S dedicated to the protection of childrenâs health, was scheduled to attend the inaugural meeting of the CHD European branch, Childrenâs Health Defense Europe. It was a bit of a coincidence of the calendar that led to his participation in the event as he was travelling to Europe anyway to meet with the Board of Directors to discuss different strategic directions for the new chapter. The message from the organizers then reached him, with a video showing a public invitation at the August 1st demonstration. The travel of members of an international organization to attend a joint meeting is not subject to COVID travel restrictions, so Kennedyâs visit to Berlin was perfectly legitimate. A speech by the famous lawyer was obviously a perfect opportunity to both announce the launch of the association and to convey a strong message of freedom and democracy to the German public."
There is more on the link.
Kennedyâs Berlin visit got, of course, hostile coverage in the US press :
29/8/20 Anti-Vaxxer RFK JR. joins neo-Nazis in massive Berlin âAnti-Coronaâ Protest
Link not necessary, but⊠https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/29/1973395/-Anti-Vaxxer-RFK-JR-joins-neo-Nazis-in-massive-Berlin-Anti-Corona-Protest
who wseemed unaware of the real reason he was in Europetown - which was to help start up Child Health Defense EuropeâŠwho brought the story of the law-dodging in Europe.
One of the apparently little known facts about placebos is this. A number of vaccine trials when done use a âplaceboâ which is not water of saline solution, but all of the vaccine ingredients less the so called active component which is a cocktail of unknowns. Of course this is used to reduce the discrepancy between number of reactions in the vaccinated and placebo groups. Of course without a whistler-blower, weâll never know if the âplaceboâ was a placebo.
Thatâs a really important point that I, personally, had no idea about. How can that be called a true placebo?
Can you point me somewhere to get more info on this?
Donât know if youâve seen this, but this paints a really awful picture for anyone hoping for a vaccine savior. I didnât read the detail as I have no intention of taking the pill!
Yes thanks Pat. I heard this stated also, but as a reason to dismiss concerns that there was an allergic reaction to the vaccine itself - that egg albumin could be responsible. Only who knows what is in this mRNA vaccine? I donât believe it is grown in chicken eggs like some vaccines are, or were.
I donât like the way everything is swept aside in a push to get the vaccine out, as if people were dying in the street in droves and we have to take the risks of âemergency authorisationâ to save them. - and then talking about vaccinating school-kids and so on.
On the placebo question PP - in fact taking a placebo that includes all the ingredients except the vaccine component is good science - if the aim is to merely test the vaccine part.
Better experimental protocol, David, would be to use only saline solution as the placebo. Thatâs clearly more scientifically meticulous. The other approach is clearly compromised, because so many of the âadjuvantsâ included in vaccine formulations are themselves under severe question. Just leaving out the alleged new active principle is hardly an honest placebo.
Itâs very obvious to any âgoatâ, any non-TDS-stampeded person whoâs awake and paying calm attention, that: 1) thereâs a huge scam going on on the back of a new pathogen which - as the dissenting medicoâs insist - is absolutely not a global medical emergency; and 2) the vaccines - all of them - are absolutely not safe, nor in the slightest degree proven effective. Those are just outright lies. Such rush jobs simply canât have been proven by now to be s&e. It just isnât in the nature of vaccines to be so quickly proven. Itâs a flat lie, by the gic-servants, cowering and line-toeing under the carrotânâstick pressure of gics on a tear, as they scent huge rip-offs in the offing, and also big increases possible in their control of their cattle, we common plebs.
When oppressing the Proles, the Inner Party operators can always count on reliable - not to say hysterical - support from useful-idiot good-thinkers amongst the Outer Party: the High and the Middle in villainous alliance against the Low. (âNineteen Eighty Fourâ references⊠
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Note that, in close accordance with Herman and Chomskyâs Propaganda Model, there is absolutely no need - and indeed no great likelihood - of some grand worldwide Illuminatoid super-villain conspiracy to explain this whole wretched process. Itâs all been a lot more chaotic than that, with uncoordinated efforts by various cliques of sharp-operators on the make to profit from crisis; the usual story.
But the gic-servants have already been through the filtration process by the time theyâve been stroked by their owners - the gangsters-in-charge - into positions of influence. They already know what to say and what not, without any need for formal conspiracy. And theyâll do whatâs needed of them, often as if by instinct, and with a thoroughly doublethunk âsincerityâ in most of them*, apart from the incorrigible cynics, without so much as a nod and a wink from their masters. Speaking here of the pocket-pols and mediawhores of course, but also of a broad range of medically-connected careerists on the career-make too: the Fauci-Whitty clones. That seems to me to be the likeliest explanation of whatâs been going on during this pigâs-breakfast of a year.
*Solzhenistyn speaks somewhere of the deep need of most humans to have some sort of honourable cover story that they can feed to their consciences, when theyâre engaged in assisting dreadful injustices, we as a species being mostly non-psychopaths, who need to believe that weâre good people at bottom. So handy that the human mind can âbelieveâ any arrant bullshit at all, as long is it comforts our emotional feelings.
Thanks PatB! This is already causing alarm as well as panic at the UKâs MHRA, who have issued this cri-de-couer:
(emphasis added)
"2Short description:
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRsâ reaction text are missed.2
Type of procedure
Award of a contract without prior publication of a call for competition in the Official Journal of the European Union in the cases listed below
The procurement falls outside the scope of application of the directive
Explanation:
For reasons of extreme urgency under Regulation 32(2)© related to the release of a Covid-19 vaccine MHRA have accelerated the sourcing and implementation of a vaccine specific AI tool.
Strictly necessary â it is not possible to retrofit the MHRAâs legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health.
Reasons of extreme urgency â the MHRA recognises that its planned procurement process for the SafetyConnect programme, including the AI tool, would not have concluded by vaccine launch. Leading to a inability to effectively monitor adverse reactions to a Covid-19 vaccine.
Events unforeseeable â the Covid-19 crisis is novel and developments in the search of a Covid-19 vaccine have not followed any predictable pattern so far."
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0
This was flagged by one of the contributors on the âAsk the expertsâ video, the subject of this thread. A good find by Rhis!
Hey - in DImacâs post above mentioning June Raine - isnât she IN the MHRA? Yes, sheâs the head!
Hereâs Dimacâs quote from her again âWe know from our very extensive trials that this was not a featureâ.
That also made it into the BMJ apparently:
Rapid Response:
Re: Covid-19 vaccines: Many ADRs are already expected
Dear Editor
The Ted-tenders electronic daily: Supplement to the Official Journal of the EU, details a contract negotiated by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Agency (MHRA), dated 14.9.20 (1).
It states: âThe MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRsâ reaction text are missedâ.
It further explains: âFor reasons of extreme urgency under Regulation 32(2)© related to the release of a Covid-19 vaccine MHRA have accelerated the sourcing and implementation of a vaccine specific AI toolâŠâŠ it is not possible to retrofit the MHRAâs legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public healthâ.
Why do they expect that a high volume of ADRs will be generated?
And would it not be more sensible to determine the safety profile of a Covid-19 vaccine while the stable door is shut, rather than monitor the galloping horse once it has bolted?
(1) https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0
Competing interests: No competing interests
Hi DâiMac. I must admit, I had never thought of that. However, itâs only âgoodâ science if all the adjuvants (I think thatâs the word they use) have already been proven to be inert as far as reactions from the recipients.
Hi PP. Not ignoring you. Iâll try and dig out some verifiable details.