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Loss of informed consent

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200,000 Americans died because of anti-vaccine aggression . . .

…so it’s not just a poor ickle victimised industry being prevented from making an honest penny.

That’s cleared that up then.

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This sounds to me like hate speech. Can we issue an International arrest warrant?

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He’s also called for cyber warfare. Why should anti-vaxxers have privacy, a platform they’ve paid for, or functioning hard drives?

The amount of hassle Hotez wants to inflict on those declining to buy his vaccines would signify the end of consent. Unfortunately the “informed” part has never been observed for vaccines.

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Funny you should mention that

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Hi folks, it still amazes me that very few people know that the system of medicine, of which jabs are a part, lead to deaths which make the whole system the third biggest killer in the US after cancer and heart disease ( and in fact recent reports suggest this is an underestimate!

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As far as I can see most of aleopathic medicine is made up of tests and diagnostic guestimates and mile/year long queues to obtain the “recommended” treatment - and now we are faced with jabs for everything without evidence of efficacy or safety.

I know I’m sounding like a broken record but the evidence for the existence of pathogenic viruses is nil and so there is no basis for any jabs - if we analysed the rest of the aleopathic treatments flowing from big pharma I suspect most of them have no efficacy or safety data from independent sources that pass Koch’s postulates - how many “thalidomide type” cases have there been without hitting the headlines. The criminal fines paid by Pharma over the years provide the evidence for deliberate malfeasance re all sorts of medicines!

cheers

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It’s terribly troubling that people are probably better informed about highly processed foods and Red Bull, and their adverse attributes, than they are about medicines generally and vaccines specifically.

I met up for lunch yesterday with my younger son, his gf, and baby R, who had just “been for his jabs”. Once we’d ordered I gently asked about which jabs they were, and wasn’t especially surprised that neither had any real idea. I am not in any way trying to frame them as ignorant or negligent.

They will have been told very little except that R “needs” to have them. The Health Visitor will want to see the records of vaccination in R’s little red booklet.

C, the mum, is someone I have had problems with in the past but I will confess this is wholly my fault. I find her very terse, defensive, rude. But I have realised that she is somebody who has been targeted for State intervention most of her life due to her “troubled” childhood. She had an earlier child, G, taken into care and then adopted. R is considered “at risk” or whatever the new euphemism is.

You can bet your last ten bob that they both will do whatever they’re told by anyone official, and will try to escape attention as much as possible. Asking awkward, no…ANY, questions about what’s in the jabs is never going to happen.

While I completely understand and share @CJ1s incredulity that awareness of “the system of medicine” is so thinly spread, i offer the above in mitigation. Vast numbers of people regard the State, and State medicine as part of that, as a powerful and potentially malign influence in their lives. That they choose to submit and get it over with quickly, in the hope they’ll then be left alone, is heartbreaking, and I really did shed tears today thinking about it.

I can only wish them well, offer compassion, and hope that R will be undamaged and unmolested by the State. I despise myself for staying at a little distance from them emotionally for fear of having grandparently attachment shattered by some do-gooder.

So even smartarses like me are affected by all this.

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Thanks for sharing these thoughts and dilemmas, @Kieran_Telo.

Don’t be hard on yourself, I’d say you’re all behaving rationally, according to the circumstances. The system does leave its mark on those who fall or are pulled into it. And vax status has been used by the state as a weapon against parents.

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I’ve got a nephew whose wife has just had their 1st child. I have politely tried to get them to watch the film Vaxxed (available on Thehighwire website for free). I don’t hold out too much hope. With adult friends I’ve given up on being polite, obtuse, or politically correct on “vaccines”, Israel, Ukraine, and western uni-parties. I tell it like it is and to hell with the consequences.

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Hi folks, this article in the grauniad states :

" A fifth of medicines in [Africa] could be substandard or fake, according to a major research project, raising the alarm over a problem that could be contributing to the deaths of countless patients."

I wonder what the numbers would be for the rest of the world if studies were to be conducted?

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Hi @CJ1 interesting point.

A 2017 WHO analysis found 42% of all fake medicine reports in the previous four years were from Africa, and other studies suggest as much as 70% of drugs in some African countries are fake.
[Link, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation piece]

Committed grants - Access to Medicine Foundation

Researchers are saying exatcly the same as the WHO:

MartĂ­nez said immediate action was needed to address the problem by governments, national authorities, regulators and pharmaceutical companies manufacturing and selling the products.

“We need to strengthen supply chains across the continent by enhancing infrastructure, improving logistics and implementing better surveillance-monitoring systems.

A WHO spokesperson said: “Recent incidents of contaminated oral liquid medicines have demonstrated that we need a concerted multi-stakeholder approach to prevent, detect and respond to substandard and falsified products.

Bill wants it too

" Africa needs a strong regulatory framework that encourages the expansion of domestic medical product development, ensures the quality of medicines made and sold here, boosts public and industry confidence in our pharmaceutical and health care systems, and adds to the economic health of the continent by supporting manufacturing jobs and possibly creating export markets for these quality products.

…Insufficient access to quality, safe, effective, and affordable medical products in Africa has posed challenges to public health for decades. A 2017 WHO analysis found 42% of all fake medicine reports in the previous four years were from Africa, and other studies suggest as much as 70% of drugs in some African countries are fake.

These substandard and falsified products are a menace to Africa. Research estimates that more than 100,000 children in sub-Saharan Africa die each year because of poor-quality anti-malarial drugs, and 79,000-116,000 more children die from pneumonia each year for the same reason – a terrible loss to comprehend."
Link: https://www.gatesoundation.org/ideas/articles/african-medicines-agency-improving-africas-health-security

Could all be legit, but with chance of bias in the research which delivers the right results and makes made-to-order recommendations…

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