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Locking in the Vaxxers in Victoria

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Today in Victoria our Fuhrer announced the plans for our “Vaccinated Economy” future. Or rather for their future, as ours has been shelved till some time in 2023. How this happened is simple - 18 months of extortion and lock-ups causing advanced Stockholm Syndrome in the populace,who now willingly offer up their innocent children to be used as bait and blackmail toys, and trial subjects for newly created pandemics. Today’s editorial in the Melbourne Age is a master piece in enabling propaganda, so that permanent pandemic orders can be passed through “parliament” to replace the current emergency laws expiring on Dec 15th. Their passage is enabled by the votes of three minor independent parties - the Sex party, the Animal Rights party and the GREENS. To get it through the Victorian upper house, the four opposition MPs who took a stand on MandVax have been removed for failing to verify their vaccine status, after it was demanded last Friday that all MPs be vaxed.

THis is the Age editorial, which you may not be able to read,with some highlights:

How do we solve a problem like the unvaccinated?

The Age's View

The Age’s View

October 25, 2021 — 8.58pm

As Victoria takes its baby steps towards fully reopening thanks to an encouragingly high rate of vaccination, an intriguing question has emerged: what to do about the as-yet unjabbed?

Until now, the vaccine campaign has relied largely on persuading Victorians to participate so we can reach particular percentage targets, end lockdown and move on to release the various “freedoms”. That has largely succeeded. With the vast majority now on board, the vaccine rate has accelerated, more restrictions are to be lifted on Friday and we will be fully open – albeit with some ongoing health measures – by the end of next month.

The question now is how to persuade the shrinking but still significant number of holdouts to get with the program. Now that the common goal – reopening – is within reach, what else might motivate them?
The question, now, is how to persuade the shrinking but still significant number of holdouts to get with the program.Credit:Eddie Jim

The state government is taking a hard line, which is in keeping with its approach through the pandemic. On Sunday Premier Daniel Andrews revealed that when Victoria reopens, life for the unvaccinated will remain extremely limited. They will be able to visit friends and shop for essentials but pretty much everything else they might want to do will require a vaccination certificate and will therefore be off-limits.

“If you’re not vaccinated, you’re not getting in,” Mr Andrews declared. “Whether it’s a bookshop, a shoe shop, a pub, cafe, a restaurant, the MCG, the list goes on and on. You will not be able to participate like a fully vaccinated person because you’re not a fully vaccinated person.”

The Age has strongly urged all eligible Victorians to get vaccinated, and accepts there will be a small number that cannot for medical reasons. Moreover, we support mandatory vaccination for some classes of workers, particularly those in public-facing roles or those who care for the vulnerable. In those instances, the risk to others outweighs personal liberty to refuse vaccination. And it is dismaying that false information about the safety of vaccines has been able to spread online when it is the unvaccinated who are most at risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19. It is the unvaccinated, too, who pose the greatest risks to the most vulnerable among us.

Even so, the government needs to better explain a policy that seeks to exclude the unvaccinated from public life almost entirely, which has been imposed with little or no discussion, and which runs risks of its own.

As we reported on Monday, some experts have questioned whether the policy is unnecessarily punitive, particularly as it includes some children: the vaccination requirements will apply to those aged 16 and over, and be expanded to include children aged 12 and over once the 90 per cent milestone is reached around November 24.

The head of the University of Melbourne’s School of Population and Global Health, Nancy Baxter, said these rules would be among the strictest in the world. So, are they entirely justified by health advice? Will the unvaccinated really pose such a risk to public health they can’t go into a shoe shop? The answer may be “yes”, but if so, the state government needs to release its advice and the modelling behind it.

There are also concerns about the timeline. Mr Andrews has suggested the policy will remain in place until the end of next year, in contrast to NSW. That state is also opening up in stages and will no longer require vaccine certificates from December 1. If there is a public health reason for the discrepancy, we are yet to see it. Perhaps the government does not wish to give a date for the unvaccinated to rejoin “normal” life so as to encourage them to get the jab. Or perhaps the Premier means what he says – for all of next year, the unvaccinated will not be able to go to worksites, shop, or visit a restaurant.

Most of Victoria’s COVID rules will end in November, with one key exception

Many Victorians may agree with the government’s approach, but it is worth asking whether it is the best way to encourage the vaccine-hesitant, or whether it could fuel a sense of alienation and segregation . Must we mop up every last conspiracy theorist or is there a level of vaccine coverage at which it is safe enough to ignore them?

It might well prove the final piece in the puzzle, along with pressure from workplaces, social connections and travel requirements, that encourages the remaining holdouts to roll up their sleeves and put all this behind them . We can only hope.

I don’t think the editor Gay Alcorn is hoping for what I and a hundred thousand others are hoping for…
Truly this is Germany 1938, with its own version of Hitler youth. My friend in Melbourne who has a business with a number of bars has little alternative but to leave the country, with his children facing forced vaccination to go to school, and not allowed to go to his bars - which are however operating again now as the young staff saw no problem in getting stuck, twice.

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#2

Part and parcel of what has happened here, and at the AGE, is the ejection of our favourite cartoonist and philosopher Michael Leunig. He has had numbers of political cartoons rejected by the editor Gay Alcorn, prompting him finally to tell the Australian, that Murdoch rag. Until yesterday no-one had seen his great cartoon, unless they looked at his Instagram page. Facebook blocked it:

Not sure whose blog this is, but the OZ is sub only.
I’m not sure Michael L subscribes to the Tianamen massacre tale, but the anti-Chinese Australian is happy to, seeing a direct connection with what they call the Chinese Communist Party virus. Somehow Anthony Fauci has yet to fall victim to their abuse, along with Israel and Biden.

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Enabling propaganda indeed. Yes, at first read not quite calling for total isolation but totally on board with the supposed justifications.

And Australia with 1/30th the ‘covid deaths per million’ of the UK. Victoria in the SW hit harder, but still only 1/14th of the UK, the govenment presumably inflicted with a new rabid variant of totalitarianism! Or is it just power-mad Andrews.

Dimac is this oppression and snarly stuff coming out of Victoria going to be Australia-wide, do you think? I just wondered if a westward jump was an option for many South easterners. Doesn’t sound like it, or Max Igan wouldn’t have jumped all the way to Mexico (from Queensland, where he was feeling the heat). He also said the window was closing in which to leave Australia.

Cheers

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Hi David. Will you please expand on this (so we know what’s coming for the rest of us). For instance, how was it “demanded”? Were the four physically removed from the house or was it a zoom type vote? The criminality of this is just completely beyond any imaginary scenario.

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Good question. I don’t think it’s been aired in the UK but when masks became compulsory, and parliament discussed whether MPs should have to wear masks, the speaker quashed the notion with a reassuring air that it wasn’t for the likes of them.
Et la France?
It never occurred to me that the idea of removing non compliant MPs would be an appealing way to remove critics of the policy. Yep! Good idea for other countries to watch Australia. If vaccinations become compulsory in workplaces, then it might not be a good idea to insist that it applies to MPs as well!

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Dimac, what do you make of Clive Palmer, who heads the United Australia Party? I ask, of course, because I don’t know much about politics in Australia. Is Palmer genuine? Is there a chance of a real third party in Australia?

Here’s Clive Palmer giving a recent press conference…

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Dimac, I presume you know what a pitchfork is, and I presume you know what a gallows is…

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As you say Pat - the criminality is beyond imagination. It is simply no exaggeration to see this in terms of pre-war Germany, except that it’s worse because there is so much global disinfo and actions feeding into it. It does seem as though Victoria is some sort of test case, or “test-bed” for the “Vaccinated Economy”, and it may well be coming for the rest of you if “they” come up with a new strain of virus to keep the monster breeding. Without the virus Andrews’ plans would fall in a heap, so a failing vaccine is ideal.
You might think they’d be talking about it this morning, but very little except an interview with one of the Independents who is about to enable the bill’s passage through the upper house. She discusses it with Fran Kelly here:

  • including whether a $90,000 fine and two years prison for “people intentionally flouting the pandemic laws” is excessive or necessary.

    The trick with the MP’s revealed the underhand planning and calculations of the regime. When these MPs went to introduce a bill calling for action against the chief health officer for exceeding his powers, Andrews issued a dictat that all MPs must be double jabbed to attend Parliament AND TO VOTE! The four members who refused to comply, not necessarily with getting vaccinated but with the order to reveal whether they had, were thus removed, enabling the three independents to pass the bill with the government minority.
    A few voices were raised over this, on Friday afternoon… including even some Human Rights body, but now it is left to the members to take legal action. They have no publicity in the mainstream media or sidestream media, or any media! Except for the likes of Cafe Locked Out, which has moved to Rumble after being banned from Youtube:
    Cafe Locked out
    I am beginning to wonder if the UK - or England - is a possible place to move to, given the clear rump of Tories who won’t stand for this vaccine passport Covidian tyranny, and the number of people in the UK standing against the stabs. I also hope France may at least be thrown into chaos, and not keel over on its back like Victoria.

    Lastly, for Palmer I really don’t know! Back in March last year he claimed to have bought 30 million doses of HCQ to give to Queensland, but don’t know what he has done with them. But Craig Kelly who has taken over the leadership of the party has a reasonable following, but not a chance in hell of any power in Government, nor any support in the media, even from the OZ and the right. The only support comes from those who think climate change is a con-trick and are anti-woke, but also think the CCP is the heart of all evil, and Israel and the US are great!!

We are open to all suggestions… Friends were talking about buying an island somewhere, but where?

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Reads very much like the Labour Party rhetoric in UK @Dimac, thanks for sharing. The schtick is “how do we persuade the piffling but still too big minority to knuckle under?” Ah, of course, divulge the secret data that the selfless dictators are being guided by. Explain harder.

Bunch of fuckers.

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#10

If only we had real stats on the numbers of determined opponents and the numbers of reluctant victims it would help us know where we stand - and make it harder for people to be browbeaten. Andrews wants to make it seem that those intransigents are minimal and deviant, and will be locked up if they protest, and thanks to the bought and suckered media most believe him. But unlike in the UK I think, there are many people here who were forced to get stuck, and so could rise up if pushed too far. The other big difference is that there is minimal natural immunity at this point, with most “cases” being found thanks to total paranoia about catching the thing. People think it could be a death sentence, even the young and healthy, and have never had any reassurance or advice on the infection.
I’d really like to know one thing from the UK- just what percentage of the population has antibodies- 40, 60 or 85%? I feel it is likely to be the higher end, but they won’t admit it, or ever say “if you’ve been infected there is no need to be vaxed, or to follow any restrictions…” Some chance!

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there is minimal natural immunity at this point, with most “cases” being found thanks to total paranoia about catching the thing.

Very good point. I guess if no-one is being encouraged to look for this - and I’m being charitable - there are good odds that they will not find it.

In the context of “fully vaccinated” being redefined as topped-up every X months, the desperation to entrench the jab habit is pronounced. With no control group no comparisons can be sustained, or so it’s hoped.

But if people diagnosed ** as having had covid, in UK for example, can later demonstrably evade reinfection, that would make a salient counterpoint.

** Whatever the merits/accuracy of such a diagnosis, if Believers of PCR can be hoist with their own petard there won’t be any cavilling from this 'hood.

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It seems to me the problem with knowing what proportion of the population (anywhere) has natural immunity is two fold. First, whle the PCR “test” continues to be the “gold standard” (glad I didn’t invest in that gold), it seems to me to be impossible to ever know who actually “has it” and what they really have. The second difficulty is lots of people have “had it” whatever it is. They are so terrified by all the porn propoganda, that even a cold now might be construed as having “had it”. If that is the basis, anyone who has ever had a cold, is immune!!

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I’m not sure what the stats say, or if there are any, but I’m sure it’s the case that part of the reason for the recent “waves” of “cases” is simply that more children and teens have been tested, which has happened because of all the talk of them catching it, and them going to get tested out of fear, even though they have only a sniffle or nothing at all. These positives probably wouldn’t be picked up by the RAT, and aren’t either real infections nor are infectious.
I think the jury may still even be out on whether Delta is much more infectious than previous strains, but I believe it is significantly less virulent, taking into account the lower number of cases in older and more vulnerable people. It’s most notable how the death rate remains quite stubbornly constant at around140 a day for weeks.

The death “toll” here too is much lower than last year, though in younger populations. It may be picking out the more unhealthy ones in their 30s and 40s, who get just as sick without suitable anti-virals. The “authorities” are directly responsible for the deaths of many of these people, unlike those of old people with low life expectancy.

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Children need the jab, just not the mask…

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Very timely for Halloween Jamie. I had an impulse buy in ALDI’s on Tuesday - Halloween kids mask for only $1.49. It’s bright red, with horns and teeth, and nicely covers up the non-hairy parts of my face. A special for when appeals to humour fail. And before November 25th when such 'incitement" could land me in jail for 2 years of $90,000 in debt, with 42 other expletive-laden emissions to be taken into account.

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