Obviously, the red line is for the year following the vaccine roll-out.
By 1/3/21, with the red graph having fallen by over half (though there was a brief spike about then), only 79,000 people had been double vaccinated in Scotland.
By 1/4, when the red line is almost at zero, it was 400,000, about a tenth of the adult population were double vaccinated.
Many govt/ONS/PHE data presentations count ‘unvaccinated deaths’ from what is essentially the pre-vaccination period, where vaccinations had started but very few actually were vaccinated.
So when the deaths fall, the vaccine gets the credit.
But the 2020 (blue) data shows the curve came down anyway in 2020, after a similar duration.
In fact the two graphs look very similar, apart from a time shift.
Just sayin’
Oh yes. I saw there were a couple of threads there on this. Classic responses from Ken W et al: no need to listen to Ioannidis and Yeadon as they were “debunked on LBN”, while ignoring your very pertinent points
“Do you really believe that a virus with an overall mortality rate of about 1%, where the average age of those dying is about the same as life expectancy … Do you really believe that the global response; the authoritarianism, the assault on liberties, the threats, the medical fascism etc; do you believe it to be proportionate to the threat in any sane world?”
Yeah, I think I’ve got to stop reading/posting over there. Whilst there are reasonable posters (Ian M., SB and Scrab seems curious), discussion is so utterly dispiriting and futile; partly because, as you say, they cherry pick what they wish to respond to. They pick at relatively minor points and rubbish arguments by posting somebody else’s rubbishing of the source (but without context or examination of any possible agenda) and all in relative isolation; that is, the sheer weight of evidence from all over the globe that conflicts with the Covid narrative reached ‘critical mass’ some time ago and yet they do not seem able to see this. (The denial that there has been an assault on liberties is a staggering example of this). They bash at waves and fail to see the tsunami.
When it comes to the experts that they rubbish, they may well be right. I cannot say for sure why Yeadon is saying what he is; nor Ioannidis, nor Montaigner, nor McCullough, nor Malone, nor Bhakdi, nor any of the many other experts from all over the world. Maybe they are all in the early stages of dementia; maybe they are all ‘conspiracy theorists’; maybe they all have vested interest; maybe they are all plain crackers or maybe they are all right or maybe they are just plain wrong. One thing I do know for sure though, is that they are saying what they are saying and it has been totally erased from the debate; not, generally, with argument, but with character assassination. Why?
I should add that arguing over the ‘minutiae’ (all part of the confusion marketing game) is what enables them to ignore my more simple and in a sense, far more germane question that you quoted from.
Why, J? Because you’re dealing with people who’ve been propaganda-hypnotised. As long as they remain unrecovered from that blight, they’ll go on acting in the irrational way you describe: as members of a cult who - as cultists do - have internalised a strong post-hypnotic suggestion to never hear, never grasp the logic of, anything that threatens the credo of the cult.
I’m little educated or experienced in the byways of this sort of mind-capture, but I get the feeling that successful fear-of-immediate-death terrorising has a powerful function as a trance-inducer technique.
I salute your patient tolerance in attempting to speak sense with such unfortunate victims. For myself, I can’t raise the patience. The shrill slag-shrieking just turns me right off.
I rest instead on the prior experience which says that most entrancement victims eventually drift back to sobriety, if the induction is not renewed regularly. You just have to leave them be till they recover, piecemeal and sheepishly, over time.
Also, it does seem that the propa-shrieking about ‘covid’ is losing its drive. Probably the growing, undodgeable mass of quaxine deaths/maimings, and the growing understanding that the covid-flu is mainly no big deal for the infected, more to be thought of as just another seasonal nasty that we can learn to live with like all the others… perhaps that’s what’s doing the job; that and growing boredom with last year’s fad? Drifting out of fashion now, innit…
No, that’s not the reason. The behaviour of TLN/MLMB, as accurately described by Jamie in a post above, has been exactly the same at least since I first visited in 2015, and probably for much longer. It has nothing to do with COVID.
True enough, Twirl. I remember it well! But you have to admit that it got noticeably more rabid - and censorious - when the covid scam hit, and presumably sucked in a whole set of the more suckerable, suggestion-vulnerable people there. Slagging levels got considerably worse just before I was censored, and left. There was a core of posters who seemed to be in a state of non-stop hysteria.
