Another really good discussion on Nate Hagens’ podcast, this time with Joe Tainter, author of the Collapse of Complex Societies.
Crucially important stuff, and only tangentially related to climate change. Lots of important info about the upcoming reduction in societal complexity that we seem destined to experience over the next few decades.
Obvious, despite how obviously hard it is to model complex, nonlinear systems 
Just like a huge sinking ship.
