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JMGreer slags fusion power and socialism. Interesting read, as ever

John describes himself as a Burkean conservative (with Aspergers!). In my reckoning he’s one of the most insightful polymathic commentators around right now. Here he points out in sufficient detail the hopelessness of the nuclear fusion wild goose chase; but also the demonstrated unworkability of classical socialism!

Can’t say I’m inclined to argue with him about either. He does touch briefly on what actually has been shown to work very well: what Richard Wolff calls ‘Democracy at work’, otherwise know as Mondragon-style worker-owned cooperative enterprises - of all kinds; working unobtrusively but extraordinarily well these many years (though embedded all that time in global capitalism, of course).

My own dedication to the ideas of ‘scarcity socialism’ - which is the only kind that’s feasible for the upcoming real future, I suspect - rest primarily on the desire to see power wrested from the hands of gics and distributed as widely as possible amongst we plebs; plus the absolute, imperative need to learn - or learn back - ways of doing human life which actually cooperate with, and cherish, the natural world; Mam Gaia’s excellently-viable method of doing life:

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“Perpetual Motion Machines” Rhis! So no problem with the mathematical, economic or physical model? Ooooohhhh noooooo! He! He! They say we’re stupid…pleeeeeeeease! Don’t worry we’ll bail ourselves out with bitcoin (and it all came crashing down)!

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…and you don’t understand my stuff?!

"Where’s the “Wonga”?

After years of investing in HADRON colliders and the like where is the return on our massive investment? The problem of fusion still remains and the populace should be constantly reminded that Lockheed Martin and others invest in CERN specifically in order to find a “something for nothing” origin for generating a continued fusion reaction (if the; “God Particle” was ever discovered and found capable of generating “free fusion” it would certainly be, “something for nothing” because as we know any finite investment would certainly be insignificant in relation to; “INFINITE POWER!” -and they say we’re mad!-), so the debate for and against such research really does hinge on the feasibility of sustaining these reactions. Gravity created our Sun and will continue to sustain it until all the energy in its captured mass has been used up, mankind is simply not able to create the necessary gravitational conditions for continued fusion. A hydrogen bomb is not a sun and a fusion reaction does not represent a sustainable energy source, it should come as no surprise to learn that no fusion reaction experiment has ever produced more energy than it took to create and contain it.
Just think of it Capt. James Tiberius Kirk and his crew are waiting for the day when mankind can abandon its flirtation with sustainability completely and give itself carte-blanche to travel through the universe exploiting any planet unfortunate enough to fall into its path, these truly empyreal dreams await us all if we would only abandon our strange attachment to reason and place ourselves totally in the hands of the technocratic revolutionaries who have served us so well so far**.* I feel many might be fearing that I am polarising debate but I am only accentuating the negative in order to bring the positive into sharp-relief, for we do have the the ability as a species to achieve the balance between artifice and nature that is now essential for our own survival, fundamentalists of all kinds all want quick, easy and painless solutions to their problems, nothing, however, was ever achieved without effort (as every good physicist knows).

*Nb. There have always been two schools of thought on this subject but I grew up with “Space Opera” and am as keen to split-the-infinitive as any other red bloodied Sci-Fi fan; however, the sheer elegance of Frank Herbert’s conception in his “Dune” books where, “space is moved through matter” (and not the other way around), by the mind of the navigator “folding” it, has greater philosophical appeal (it is surely no coincidence that one of the main themes running through Herbert’s work is ecology).

Also see; “Wonga collapses into administration” Go to: Wonga collapses into administration - BBC News" https://www.arafel.co.uk/2018/03/the-whole-story-epidemiology.html

Re: #Socialism

“It is in order to continue to exploit resources of all kinds that the attempt has been made to convince the global electorate that a socially dominant economic model is the same as a communal one. It’s called “divide and rule”, which in this case means “freedom or slavery”, and is sold to the people as a simple choice between the reassuring gewgaws of the neo-liberal state or enslavement in a drab totalitarian one (anarchy being “Bellum omnium contra omnes”, the terrible “war of all against all”, is Khaos of-course).

Quote; ““Either/or democracy is the dalliance of the totalitarian”” Go to: "Arafel": #Yugoslavia, #NATO, #Brexit, the #EuropeanUnion and the #Euromerta (a response to the dreadful neo-lib/con whitewashing of the sepulchre by #PBS: "#TheBalkansinFlames")

Socialist systems rely on the institutions of the state (many of which being pre-existing), to run the economy, communist systems rely on communes to dictate to (and often form), state institutions. The notions are very different, for a socialist there is no “communal filter” between the individual and the insitutions of the state but for a communist the state doesn’t exist without one (the capitalist, of-course, their actions being anathema to community , doesn’t believe in society at all). This exemplifies the veracity of the maxim; “the trouble with “-isms” is that they are full of “-ists”!”

Schumacher and emergent economic theory allow for no dominant political ideology. So where is democracy? Well for one thing it ought to be clear by now that politics al.la the Industrial Revolution model is on its last legs, the G7 summit will be tackling the global problems of environmental damage, lack of biodiversity and sustainability issues that barely got a mention in the mainstream media (MSM), a hundred years ago. This macrocosm shines a light on the microcosm of our individual politics, whereby, we will become aware that democracy is process, it must always be thus for should we ever manifest “true democracy” we will have achieved totality" https://www.arafel.co.uk/2021/06/a-dangerous-conflation-socialism.html

Touché.

I was involved in a cooperative years ago, it was the bloodiest most merciless arena for power struggles that I have ever seen. Honestly I’d prefer a Mad Max future to more of that. The usual sample of one disclaimers apply :slight_smile:

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Love the image, though not quite as much as this one.

How Captain Haddock coped up there without a crate of rum I can’t imagine.

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You must have been unlucky, K. The Euskadi/Mondragon format for cooperative ownership/management of work-enterprises has been strikingly effective and successful. Presumably that’s why we hear so little about it: a very ‘bad’ form of capitalism, which actually keeps out the freeloader billio-parasites, and distributes both profits and power equitably between all members. The Euskal people even run banks on this principle! The investments go where they finance useful work, rather than just making paper/pixel ‘money’ for do-nothing-useful parasites.

Housing Co-Ops tend to be the worst, ours was a Stalinist “state within a state” after 17 years of living in my Co-Op flat they kicked me out…one reason such are the worst is because you can’t leave your problems “at work”, they live with you! Isn’t going to stop me trying to set-up an agricultural collective in this area (v.positive feedback so-far incl. from A.Whitehead M.P -I’ve known Alan for years-). Everything takes effort Rhis, not all in the garden is roses!

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Today’s edit… #Bolshevism
Lenin

“The fact that neither Lenin or Stalin understood the difference is also an exemplar of the problem it does not discredit either socialisation or communal-isation as necessary aspects of the emergent “economic” (see definition below), model.” See post (above), …

Yes housing co-ops are almost uniformly dreadful, it’s astonishing how many intentional communities turn out to be exactly the opposite of what they say they aim to be. The conditioning is strong (I don’t claim to be exempt, you can’t step outside ideology).

Dial House might be an exception but certain very strong personalities have probably helped keep this on track.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_4EWSuzQY

The films have dated so well, the TV series was dreary though (Sarah Connor Chronicles).

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“Genesis” is fun if only for Arnie’s performance as, “Pops”…

I won’t get into the political side of this, yet I will venture two quick points about fusion power. Number 1 is the incredible temperatures that are needed to achieve nuclear fusion. Human technology is now at the stage where we can contain such temperatures, although, arguably, not in a safe way.

Number 2 (and this is the pertinent one) nuclear reactions of this kind produce neutron bombardment. This is a stream of neutrons produced from such nuclear reactions that destroy over time all surrounding materials; in this instance the reactor structure.

Neutron bombardment is the main reason why fission reactors are only licensed for 20 years - although recently fission reactors have been extended to 30 or even 40 years of life.

A fusion reactor creates many more times neutron bombardment than a fission reactor. A fusion reactor will quite literally fall to bits in short order using present day building materials (steel, concrete, etc). This is one of the biggest problems with nuclear fusion as a power source.

Brilliant! the two moon books that Hergé did were quite extraordinary, considering that they were published a number of years before, apparently, people landed on the moon (let’s not get into that!).

Both books were filled with the usual Hergé humour, and particularly the first book, Destination Moon, which was published in 1953 (Explorers on the Moon was published in 1954). Destination Moon goes into nuclear power, and you have to remember that this was way before the Cold War and nuclear energy really got going.

Good point clearly put…someone knows their stuff…it was neutron bombardment that fried the poor guys on the SS Reagan sent to Fukushima after the accident.