I’m not sure this is going to stand up, or be accepted. Meryl Nass seems to accept it rather readily - she must’ve thought it came from the CDC 
I’m staying near that fence…where’s @pontiusprimate when you need him!
Haven’t read the article yet, but we are at the bottom of the 11 year solar cycle which does mean cooler weather. However, with all the sh*te they are putting into the atmosphere (very long thread here somewhere) it’s not surprising that the weather is not as we might expect.
Move over on that fence, E!
According to ‘The Limits To Growth’ - which has proven remarkably prescient so far - human population numbers will begin falling - quite spontaneously - in the middle decades of this century. And along with that fall will be a corresponding fall in total global GDP, in energy-use, and in all the economic activities which it enables.
If you entertain - for the moment - those foreshadowings, together with the fall in pollutive output that always seems to accompany them, then it seems to me that the - hugely over-hyped for criminal political reasons - alleged human effects on the constant cyclical variations of climate will likely get reassessed; downwards, of course.
The fashion of treating CO2 as a monstrous, dangerous pollutant, instead of the essential life-giving plant-food that it is, may not last much longer, I suspect. I remember Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore (obligatoryboohiss!) arguing that the paleontological record shows a long-term falling of levels of atmospheric CO2, getting perilously close in recent times to the cut-off point when photosynthesis stops for lack of one of its essential inputs: atmospheric carbon dioxide. This trend seems to have reversed now - thank heaven.
You are free to think me fanciful, of course, but I wonder sometimes whether our - hom-sap’s - recent population-overshoot episode, together with our compulsive digging up and burning of sequestered hydrocarbon deposits, might actually be one of Mam Gaia’s homeostasis-maintaining moves, to fend off the CO2 famine (sic! deliberately chosen - taboo - word!). You may disagree with my hunch that Mam is a real mind-entity, the Earth’s world-soul, but - well, it’s a possibility, innit?
I wonder whether she has any corrective neg-feedback in mind to deal with the faaaaar more greenhousey water vapour in the atmosphere? Or maybe she’s quite at ease with the water-cycle in the Earth’s ecology, and has no plans to tweak it presently…
In my current conversations with Pontius, I’m arguing that certainty about these matters is simply not legitimate. It’s the technocrat’s equivalent of the religiously-devout person’s non-negotiable faith in his/her preferred doctrines. In reality, we - the chop-logickers of humankind - have no intellectual justification in indulging in such dogmatic certainties: we just can’t know with any legitimate certainty just how things will turn out, in the event.
Nor is there any realistic justification for drastic re-sets of human society; not that we would be able to achieve that anyway: It’s pretty obvious that, psychologically, we’re just not up to such global mass self-discipline.
All these changes still happen to us as fate, rather than being under our control; and so they will continue, I suspect. The whole notion of humans managing and controlling climate is fatuous.
And on the subject of matters inherently beyond our collective control, consider for the moment the trend in human affairs which is pretty clearly going to have much more influence on us, and on the ecology and climate of the Earth. That’s the Long Descent: the idea that we’ve run through all the easy-get, capital- and energy-cheap natural resources that keep our hitech lifestyle (and its artificially-inflated population) possible, and we’re now in for a time of irreversible fading of hitech industrial society, because of this growing resources famine.
That, much more than climate variations and mass extinctions, is what will govern the character of our future. This will be the new realisation de jour, as the - artificial -climate panic fades: we are heading back into the economic and political arrangements that existed some centuries ago; not an exact repeat of history, I don’t suppose, but a rhyme,
That looks like the real future to me. And the people living in that time will look back on the history of our time and shake their heads, and marvel at the way we’re still so susceptible to insubstantial Chicken Little panics - which the gics are so fond of manipulating, for profit.
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Actually we could do with Pontius returning, not just to rebut the latest climate research claims.
I’m sure we all forgive his ‘combativeness’.
Ook ook bro (wheres the contriticon?)
Hi folks, I’m not going to pay to access crap from anyone least of all the NYT - but from what I can glean from this:
particularly this:
“Thanks to astonishing declines in the price of renewables, a truly global political mobilization, a clearer picture of the energy future and serious policy focus from world leaders, we have cut expected warming almost in half in just five years.”
as far as I can see none of these statements are true ( certainly from a UK perspective)
- renewable energy still going through the roof because of our weird subsidy system
- our energy future is just as opaque as every other economic factor
- world leaders have focus for about 3 seconds on anything
- we have cut our dreamed up numbers by half to come up with some more dreamed up numbers !
If he really wanted to show us some expectations of colder climates then perhaps he should have looked at V. Zharkova - ( Due to changes in solar cycles, Earth could enter a period of GLOBAL COOLING, scientists warn ) but perhaps I shouldn’t start that one off again! 
cheers
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