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France seeks strategy as nuclear waste site risks saturation point

"LA HAGUE, France, Feb 3 (Reuters) - At a nuclear waste site in Normandy, robotic arms guided by technicians behind a protective shield manoeuvre a pipe that will turn radioactive chemicals into glass as France seeks to make safe the byproducts of its growing reliance on atomic power.

The fuel-cooling pools in La Hague, on the country’s northwestern tip, could be full by the end of the decade and state-owned Orano, which runs them, says the government needs to outline a long-term strategy to modernise its ageing facilities no later than 2025.

While more nuclear energy can help France and other countries to reduce planet-warming emissions*, environmental campaigners say it replaces one problem with another.

To seek solutions, President Emmanuel Macron, who has announced plans to build at least six new reactors by 2050, on Friday chairs the first of a series of meetings on nuclear policy that will discuss investments and waste recycling.

“We can’t have a responsible nuclear policy without taking into account the handling of used fuel and waste. It’s a subject we can’t sweep under the rug,” a government adviser told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“We have real skills and a real technological advantage, especially over the United States. Russia is the only other country that is able to do what France does in terms of treatment and recycling.”

La Hague is the country’s sole site able to process and partially recycle used nuclear fuel.

France historically has relied on nuclear power for around 70% of its energy, although the share is likely to have fallen last year as the nuclear fleet suffered repeated outages.

Since the launch of the site at La Hague in 1976, it has treated nearly 40,000 tonnes of radioactive material and recycled some into nuclear fuel that can be re-used. The waste that cannot be recycled is mixed with hardening slices of glass and buried for short-term storage underground.

But its four existing cooling pools for spent fuel rods and recycled fuel that has been reused risk saturation by 2030, according to French power giant EDF (EDF.PA), which runs France’s 56-strong fleet of reactors, the world’s second biggest after the United States.

Should saturation happen, France’s reactors would have nowhere to place their spent fuel and would have to shut down - a worst-case scenario that led France’s Court of Audit to designate La Hague as “an important vulnerability point” in 2019.

COOL POOLS AND DEEP CLAY

EDF is hurrying to build an extra refrigerated pool at La Hague, at a cost of 1.25 billion euros ($1.37 billion), to store spent nuclear fuel - a first step before the waste can be treated - but that will not be ready until 2034 at the earliest.

Meanwhile, France’s national agency for managing nuclear waste last month requested approval for a project to store permanently high-level radioactive waste.

The plan, called Cigéo, would involve placing the waste 500 metres (1,640 ft) below ground in a clay formation in eastern France.

Construction is expected in 2027 if it gets approval. Among those opposed to it are residents of the nearby village of Bure and anti-nuclear campaigners.

Jean-Christophe Varin, deputy director of the La Hague site, told Reuters Orano could be flexible to ensure more recycling is done at the facility and there were “several possible scenarios”.

However, he said they could not be worked on in detail in the absence of a strategic vision. Orano, for which EDF accounts for 95% of its recycling business, says it needs clear direction from the government no later than 2025, to give it time to plan the necessary investments.

The costs are likely to be high. Just keeping up with current operations at La Hague costs nearly 300 million euros a year.

Options EDF and Orano are considering include finding a way to recycle the used fuel more than once, but critics say the recycling itself creates more radioactive waste and is not a long-term solution. For now, the backup plan is to fit more fuel containers into the existing pools.

After being cooled in a pool for about seven years, used nuclear fuel is separated into non-recyclable leftovers that are turned into glass (4% of the material), plutonium (1%) to create a new nuclear fuel called MOX, on which around 40% of France’s reactors can run, and reprocessed uranium (95%).

The uranium in the past was sent to Russia for re-enrichment and return for use in some EDF reactors, but EDF stopped doing that in 2013 as it was too costly.

In spite of the war in Ukraine, which has made many in the West avoid doing business with Russia, EDF is expected to resume sending uranium to Russia this year** as the only country able to process it. It declined to confirm to Reuters it would do so.

The facility at La Hague, with its 1980s-era buildings and Star Wars-style control rooms, has its limitations.

“If we had to process MOX fuel in large quantities, the facility today isn’t adapted for it,” Varin said. “For multi-cycle recycling, the technology is not the same, so the modernisation or replacement of installations” would require “significant” investments, he said.

($1 = 0.9098 euros)" France seeks strategy as nuclear waste site risks saturation point | Reuters

*Still peddling the lie about nuclear power’s carbon footprint.

**You sent them some uranium (all be it somewhat depletedly), this morning didn’t you guys? “Ja!Ja! Ist sehr gut!”

Campaigners claim permit change at Hinkley Point would kill billions of fish

"ANTI-nuclear campaigners have estimated 11 billion fish off the West Somerset coastline could be killed during the operating life of the new Hinkley Point C nuclear power station.

The Stop Hinkley group said the slaughter would arise if EDF was allowed to ‘wriggle out’ of planning conditions which required acoustic fish deterrents (AFDs) to be fitted to water intake heads.

EDF has to date refused to fit the AFDs and is consulting the Environment Agency (EA) with a view to trying to have the condition dropped.

Stop Hinkley spokeswoman Katy Attwater said the 11 billion figure was calculated over the 60-year lifespan of Hinkley C.

She said affected common fish species would include river lamprey, twaite shad, sprat, herring and the common goby, while rarer species which would be killed included salmon, cod, anchovy, John dory, crucian carp, silver bream, and sea lamprey." https://www.wsfp.co.uk/campaigners-claim-permit-change-at-hinkley-point-would-kill-billions-of-fish-592793

Time to go cap-in-hand to Russia and ask for more information about it’s new generation of radio-active-waste-eating nuclear reactors. Are they real? How good are they? Will they be an effective answer to the vexed question of the world’s stacks of glowing waste, as a result? (I know Dmitry Orlov thinks so. Is he right?)

Rhis I know you and many others would like to think it’s possible but really all we’ve done with the atom; politically, socially, militarily, academically and philosophically is exploit it…you can’t make a silk-purse out of a sow’s ear…and never will there be a solution to the slow-shut-down problem…once they’re up and running you’d better pray the cooling system retains its integrity…Is it planned that Putin should munch the stuff down? He’s a true Russian man so it should be easy for him (just don’t make him mad afterwards)!

Er - does that mean that you don’t believe the waste-eater technology exists, G? Maybe it does now, thanks to Russia’s obvious superiority at actually-useful technological inventiveness. Perhaps we should look carefully to see…?

No point Rhis…it cannot be true for nuclear physics has been such a materialist con…know what I mean? The one thing…the one d**n thing the nuclear industry and all its associates can be replied upon to do is lie…this is #emergence #emergency the only way to balance the books…the principle applied mathematically to determine investment …when people realise that economy is efficiency, profit is something else and is determined by the interplay of individual, communal and social economies (and is subject to definitions other than that of the material enrichment of the individual).

Sorry G, not catching your drift. As far as I can decipher your post, I see no cogent reason at all not to look further into the claims that Russia has radioactive-waste-eating technology. If they have, that’s clearly a game-changer in the calculations of all the governments, corporations and gic power-playerz on what to do about the energy crisis.

Answer: cut back! That’s the only thing that’s going to work; per-capita energy use is going down from here on in, whatever we do (and whatever abstruse theories about fundamental particles we embrace).

They’ll struggle to dodge that inevitable conclusion, natch; but it’s coming to get them, anyway. Just take a look at that two-hour discussion that I posted here a couple of days back, between Nate Hagens and Prof. William Rees, for a comprehensive survey of why we have literally zero option but to embrace the Long Descent, which will happen - is happening - whatever cloud-cuckoo-land fantasies we entertain about it.

“not catching your drift” What is this blind-spot in your comprehension of wholisitic philosophy Rhis? We are not separate hinayanas with the mahayana somehow floating about as a disconnected entity…all the disciplines…incl. economics and politics are deeply invested in the (I would now say), #neoliberal (or, perhaps more accurately, “Thelemite”), philosophy of human dominance over the natural world that nuclear power/physics represents (nuclear power actually being nuclear physics):

CERN HADRON

We have no right to evolve but we have the choice:

Eye of sauron

It seems strange to me that a man who is prepared to sacrifice a large percentage of the Earth’s population to the corn-gods by the application of the Malthusian “gom-jabber” and expects the remainder of the population to so re-order their lives as to live in a manner fully in accordance with emergence theory now seems to be hedging his bets by giving credence to the nuclear power crew:

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I don’t think you (and your ilk), take enviro-toxins/geno-toxins/endocrine disruptors seriously either, neither do you comprehend how there may indeed be a worse fate for mankind (than destruction by thermonuclear weapons or famine and natural disaster due to climate change), at the hands of conventional physicists who themselves are only the uncomprehending sock-puppets (as are the NWO/Illuminati responsible for HIV and Covid -and a whole host of other nasties-), of their “Thelemite” masters.

The%20Fall

#Goatf**kersoftheWorldUniteyouhaveNothingtoLosebutyourChains

“Absolute tosh - there is no way in this world or any other. Crude and unworthy untruth” #nuclear #nuclearfusion #fusion: https://twitter.com/dorfman_p/status/1622918089049313280

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Just think of the massive investment (incl. military), going into these technologies (that were “redundant” even whilst being conceived)! Could we not use such resources to deal with the real problems that now face us? #neoliberalism #interventionism

Thank you Dr.Dorfman for also Tweeting this:

"Building of Turkey’s First Nuclear Plant, Sited on a Fault Line, Facing Fresh Questions

The proposed Akkuyu nuclear power plant, which sits on an active fault line and was first licensed in 1976, faces renewed opposition after Japan disaster

By Julia Harte

ISTANBUL—Turkey’s first-ever nuclear power plant is about to be built in the Southeastern town of Akkuyu, more than three decades after the government first licensed the site.

But in the wake of the Japan crisis, opponents of the reactor are once again cautioning the government to drop the project.

“I’m not against nuclear power,” said Tolga Yarman, a professor in the nuclear engineering department of Istanbul’s Okan University, and one of the original nuclear engineers who signed off on the Akkuyu site license in 1976. “I’m simply against ignorant nuclear planning.”

In explaining his reversal, Yarman told SolveClimate News: “The conditions of the area — as we know them — are completely different now, and new criteria have evolved.”

The reactor, to be majority-owned by Russia’s Rosatom State Nuclear Energy Corporation, would lie 16 miles from the Ecemis fault line where the Eurasian and African tectonic plates meet. When the license was issued in 1976, the fault was believed to be inactive. But studies published in science journals in the decades since have shown it to be active.

In a March 14 statement, a few days following the quake in Japan, Turkey’s Chamber of Electrical Engineers condemned the Akkuyu plant because of the area’s proximity to the fault.

Similarly, the government of Cyprus, the island country off the southern shore of Turkey, announced earlier this week that it would ask the European Union to stop Turkey from building the Akkuyu facility on grounds the earthquake risk is too great.

But the government’s plans seem unlikely to change.

At a press conference on March 12, Turkey’s energy minister, Taner Yildiz, said that construction in Akkuyu could begin in the next three months. This week, he stated the country “will accelerate” the estimated seven-year construction period “as much as possible.”

Days after the Fukushima disaster, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan confirmed to the press the country’s commitment to build this first reactor, and said the nation would have three functioning nuclear power plants by 2023.

The Ministry of Energy did not return repeated calls and emails for comment.

Critics Take Aim at Reactor Type, Radioactive Waste

In addition to the seismic risk, critics of the project are also taking aim at the choice of reactor type, the VVER 1200. It has never been built before, though versions of it are currently under construction at two sites in Russia. The VVER 1200 is third-generation technology and is generally considered safer than the world’s current fleet of reactors.

Andrey Bukhovtsev, a spokesperson for Rosatom, said the design “takes full account of the IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency] recommendations, and broadly uses additional passive safety systems in combination with traditional active systems.”

The waste issue is another concern. Local observers say there hasn’t been any clear explanation of how Rosatom will dispose of the radioactive byproduct generated by the plant.

“There is a belief that this area will become a nuclear dumpsite of Russia,” Efkan Bolac, a lawyer from the town, told SolveClimate News.

Bolac said the cooling system is also sparking fears. Because the temperature of the Mediterranean Sea around Akkuyu is over 30 degrees Celsius (86 degrees Fahrenheit) in the summer, there are concerns that the seawater won’t keep the reactors cool enough.

The coolant water could also damage the local environment when it is discharged from the plant after absorbing extreme heat from the reactors, he said. “It has been explained that the temperature of the sea water will be increased by 2 to 5 degrees Celsius. This will change the marine life of the region.”

The shore near Akkuyu hosts a colony of Mediterranean monk seals and a very rare species of seaside daffodil.

Bukhovtsev deferred comment on the matters to Atomstroyexport, the Russian building company that will execute the actual construction of the plant. The firm did not return repeated requests for information.

A Route to Russian Energy Independence?

As a cleaner energy source than the coal- and gas-fired power plants that comprise about 80 percent of Turkey’s electrical capacity, the government wants nuclear plants to take a large role in a carbon-constrained economy.

The project is also being touted as a way for Turkey to wean itself from energy dependence on its neighbors.

The Akkuyu plant would supply a massive 4,800 megawatts of electricity once completed, just over ten percent of Turkey’s current installed capacity.

Turkey’s energy ministry is also currently negotiating with Japanese companies to commission another nuclear power plant at the Black Sea town of Sinop, though no license has been issued for that site. Turkey imports almost all of its natural gas and about half of its coal, mainly from Russia.

Opponents say the Akkuyu project would do nothing to break that addiction.

The deal between Turkey and Russia ensures that Rosatom will control the Akkuyu plant from start to finish, and will be the majority shareholder in it.

“The Turkish government has essentially given the site to Russia,” said Umit Sahin, a spokesperson for the Turkish Green Party. “The Turkish state doesn’t have any authority to intervene in the operational or the building phase of the reactor. Even the control mechanisms are not clear in the contract. This is the first and only kind of direct build-and-operate agreement between the two states.”

The deal also gave Russia a guarantee that Turkey would buy 70 percent of the electricity generated from the power plant, an unusually high guarantee, according to Bolac, the lawyer from Akkuyu.

“The public doesn’t understand why a guarantee has been given that is higher than the rate in international markets. When people learn about this special privilege, they become suspicious,” he said.

Reactor Plans Repeatedly Stalled over 35 Years

The government’s attempts to auction off the construction tender for the Akkuyu plant failed during the 1980s and 1990s.

Then came Chernobyl. Enthusiasm for nuclear power dimmed among Turks after the 1986 disaster, which tainted harvests in northeastern Turkey for several years. The project lost even more supporters in 1998, after a 6.3 earthquake struck Adana, a city about ten miles from Akkuyu.

In 2000, as the government finally seemed on the verge of announcing which company had won the tender, then-Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit canceled the project for the ninth time under pressure from the public and the treasury, which refused to provide financial guarantees for the plant because it was such a risky investment.

“It was a big blow to the international nuclear establishment that Turkey didn’t manage to build this reactor in 2000,” said Melda Keskin, who led Turkey’s energy campaign for environmental group Greenpeace throughout the 1990s. “The foreign companies had gotten an idea of what it was like to do business in Turkey, so they didn’t come back.”

When Turkey tried once again to auction off the tender to the site in 2009, no company made an offer except for the state-owned Russian company Rosatom, according to Sahin of the Green Party.

“None of the companies were interested in Akkuyu anymore, so the government decided to make it without a tender, with just a direct interstate agreement,” he said.

Because the tender process was scrapped, Sahin explained, the building agreement between Turkey and Rosatom was not subject to any of the economic or environmental regulations that normally apply to power plant construction projects in Turkey.

“There is no law now about how this sort of nuclear agreement is supposed to be.”

Will the Akkuyu Plant Get Built At All?

Earlier this year, a high court ruled that Rosatom must submit an environmental impact assessment report for the power plant to the Turkish Energy Market Regulatory Authority before Atomstroyexport can begin construction on the project.

Sahin hopes that public opposition to the plant will prevent this report from being accepted by the commission.

“The environmental impact assessment report asks whether the local people approve this, and in this case the local people don’t, so it shouldn’t work,” he said.

Yarman of Istanbul University is skeptical that the plant will ever be built.

The national election that will be held in Turkey this summer could deter the ruling party from trying to continue with the project, given that nuclear power is so unpopular across the country, he said. “They would only lose votes if they started right away; they would draw people’s attention to all the problems with it.”

Bolac agreed.

“After recent developments in Japan, people’s views about the power plant have changed, and worries about the security have peaked,” he said. “Because of the environmental impact assessment report and the Ecemis fault line, we believe the power plant will probably not be built.”

See Also: Geopolitics Complicates Solutions to Turkey’s Soaring Energy Demand With No Policy Incentives, Turkey’s Solar Entrepreneurs Wait Out in the Cold": https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS122778134920110325

What can I say?

#HinkleyPoint “Did You Hear the One About the Seismologist and the Nuclear Reactor?” #NuclearPower #DragonsandFables”: https://www.arafel.co.uk/2016/07/hinkleypoint-did-you-hear-one-about.html

My ‘blind spot’, G is that I haven’t the slightest idea whatTF you’re on about. I am getting ga-ga a bit, but I don’t think I’ve deteriorated to the point when I can no longer grasp a simple notion, stated lucidly.

Have you noticed that every few months I irritate you mightily by pointing out that you’re posting stuff of which I can make no sense? Which of course irritates me a bit too.

We fall out a little. Then you drift back into posting crystal clear prose - at the other end of the spectrum from this rigmarole you’ve just posted - and I catch your allusions, and understand what you’re saying easily.

It seems to be a cyclical thing. At the moment, you appear to be on the incomprehensible end of the cycle. I really can’t make head or tail of the first half of this latest post; though the second half seems clear enough: don’t build nuclear facilities on tectonic faultlines. Sure. Clear enough. I quite agree - especially seeing the current news from Turkiye/Syria. Other than that, your posts on this thread, overflowing with allusions that I don’t get - as usual at this point in the cycle - leave my simply baffled.

I’m guessing that you’re upset because you think I’m going apostate on my previous opposition to nuclear technology, because of the rumours of a new generation of nuclear techniques that - it’s claimed - solves the dangerous waste problem. I don’t know whether these rumours are true, but they seem worthy of investigation.

Obviously, humans are going to go one using nuclear energy technologies, given the current and worsening global energy crisis as we charge into Peak Everything.

This will continue until PE/the Long Descent takes away our physical ability to continue with such hitech industrial activities. So it might be good if - before it finally dies - nuclear technology manages to clear away the intractable messes it’s made so far, by eating up and neutralising the waste, no? Bloody sight better than loading the shite onto highly-fallible Musk-rocket toys and shooting them at the Sun, I’d say.

Sigh! Roll on the next lucid part of this cycle in which we both seem to be trapped…

No offence meant by my chronic inability at diplomatic speech, G. please forgive; and cheers to you, old bro! :slight_smile:

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“half seems clear enough: don’t build nuclear facilities on tectonic faultlines” Par example oblique Rhis my friend…you seem to have expressed the truth here…you partially understand what I am attempting to express…for I am not saying don’t build reactors in seismologically unstable areas…I’m saying that such cannot be avoided for it is the nature of the beast… the relationship that humanity has with both planet and atom is in reality but one relationship with the ineffable…look at it in an elementary way… the Earth is our “bedrock of being” and the atom (or so it is claimed), is the genesis of that bedrock…the “consciousness within” one might claim for in truth (although conventional physicists would have it much other), the atom is a “vehicle of impermanence”…as with all quantum observe it one way and its mechanisms seem apparent, observe it another and they are Khaos…the sciences of physics and /seismology are linked and linked through us by observation…we must not ignore the evidence of our senses…for I truly believe that it is allowing ourselves to become insensate that will be humanity’s undoing…

Current solar activity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igfp_EK73Xk

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Thanks for that. Prose is making more sense to me now, though I’m not really clear about the ideas you’re offering. They seem possible. Can’t say I grasp much more than that. Interesting vid. Again, another subject with which I’m entirely unfamiliar. I had no idea there was such a discipline as solar weather observing.

I don’t yet get any sense of why exactly it’s taboo to have any nuclear plants at all; especially plants that may clean up the mess we’ve already lumbered ourselves with - and the Earth.

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“I don’t yet get any sense of why exactly it’s taboo to have any nuclear plants at all; especially plants that may clean up the mess we’ve already lumbered ourselves with - and the Earth” How do these plants differ from the old ones regarding the problem of shutdown? The big lies concerning nuclear power are the obfuscation of the brute facts that shutdown can never be anything like instantaneous and that once cooling is compromised disaster is certain.
“I had no idea there was such a discipline as solar weather observing” Then I suggest you keep up with the solar weather (Tamitha is nice), and see how many coincidental events here on Earth reveal themselves to you as the serendipities they are.
Lets not forget this coincidence either #nuclearpowerequalsnuclearweapons.

What problem of shutdown? Especially if the - alleged - new-technology plants don’t end their lives with any radioactive nuclear waste, having eaten all their own, and any other that we choose to feed them? That’s their apparent promise, at least according to the trickle of information coming out. Even if they blew up, without showering out radionuclides everywhere, how would that be a big deal?

In other news: could you do a brief introductory summary about solar weather, and the effects it seems to have here, G, please? I know nothing about it. A plain-language precis for beginners would be much appreciated. Preferably in the same simply admirably-clear prose that you just sent to S’ampton council. :slight_smile: That sort of writing I can grasp at once. Great!

Or, if that’s too much right now, can you point me to an intro for beginners somewhere?

I mean shut-down when they are operative not when they are being decommissioned (this time you’re being deliberately obtuse!).

P.S Re: my allegedly impenetrable post re: Thelema, quote; “#BREAKING Spain’s New animal welfare bill to allow bestiality… proving that the world truly has lost its damn mind!”:


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https://twitter.com/SuzCrimi/status/1627748978648354843

“They are calling it Zoosexual”: https://twitter.com/MandiGleaves/status/1627800725425192961

Zoosexual

“An animal cannot give consent (and wouldn’t if it could). Are they insane? Well, what did I tell you?”: https://twitter.com/Williamtheb/status/1628359587643658241

Can ya penetrate it now??! Sorry couldn’t resist that one…squeeeeeek! #Thelema #Bestiality #SerialOffenders #Law

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Ahhhh…hmmmmm…that sort of thing doesn’t really exist Rhis…I urge you to try and get your head around some of John’s “Astrotometry” vids. on YouTube…really the conventional physicists haven’t vetted the theory enough to condescendingly dumb it down for the layman yet…if you find anything though please let me know

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I’m never deliberately obtuse, G. And this post is a prime example of what I complain about. I’ve no feckin’ idea what you’re talking about. Kiss, kiss, :slight_smile:

This other sort of post of yours, though, makes clear sense. Will do, bro. Kiss, kiss! :slight_smile:

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You know I’m ragging you don’t you? :upside_down_face:

Further to my inference is that nuclear power is a perversion (esp. re: “body politic”), and that such have their genesis in the conjuring of dark magicians (esp. in this case Crowley, think of the synchronous nature of the events and their chronology), …