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For P, and anyone else inclined to give too much weight to scientific consensus just now

Hi Rob

No, I had missed that. In fairness, though, intensive livestock farming is a disgusting practice in general. However it looks like this had more to do with acid rain and water pollution than climate change. With a good sprinkle of WEF edicts to eat less meat.

Small farmers all over Europe are going to the wall right now. Very worrying…


Good points there @Willem.

I would add that it’s not only computer simulations that we’re talking about. There are lots of actual practical experiments being done to verify the pieces of the warming picture - for example lab experiments that show the capacity and mechanism by which CO2 can trap heat. Additionally there are an enormous amount of direct measurements that flesh the picture out -from beneath the oceans to the surface, the atmosphere to satellites.

Finally there are a huge number of proxy measurements that also back up the theory and fill out the picture.

It is a complex field but there is a lot of hard info that backs up the basic theory that the planet is currently warming at an unprecedented rate, due primarily to human activity.

This basic principle is not controversial. Sure, the details are hard to pin down, but the general direction of travel is not.


Hi Willem. Thanks for your concern for my conceptual welfare!. PP wrote on 25 June on this thread “The scientific consensus could be wrong”. Whatever the context he wrote that within I would regard that as a pretty sane attitude to every scientific consensus, in fact, any consensus. When you realise how you’ve been lied to and fooled by authorities hiding behind contrived consensuses (consensi?) in respect of so many things over a long lifetime you are obliged to take a long hard look at EVERYTHING you’ve been told from when you first understood language.

Talking of language, even the meanings of words is now up for grabs by those who have assumed authority over us, and are being shifted to suit their purposes. Even down to substituting ‘that’ for ‘who’ in everyday use which is helping dehumanise us. You could argue that the evolution of language is a consensual process. I would say you can eff off with your consensuses. Unanimity will have to include me and i’ll settle for nothing less.

Hope I haven’t lost you too W!


Hi Alan, it wasn’t out of such concern and I hope I didn’t come across as patronizing! In fact I agree more or less with what you just wrote. Perhaps it was just the way you phrased that earlier post. It occurred to me that much of our understanding of the world comes from accepted ideas and theories, and that these are essentially consensus opinions. How do we know we have a pancreas, that there is a `gas’ called Oxygen and that we need this substance, etc… Life would be unbearably impractical if we needed some direct proof of each step*.

All this is not to say at all that following the consensus is the right way to go. Far from it, they ought to be challenged, especially anything that remotely smells fishy. Typically (so it seems to me), the longer a consensus has been around, the more valid it is and the more proof is required to dislodge them. So “quaranteeing the healthy” goes completely against the earlier consensus of only “quaranteeing the sick”.

*Of course, we can easily go through life without knowing any of these things like all animals do, but then it’s difficult to argue about these issues in the first place


Crikey! Talk about a short life span. But it all adds to the GDP, so must be good…

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There is a new plan to create this mega city.

All the usual inane words and phrases are there: “cities are too small to compete” “the ‘battle of the cities’, in which mega cities compete for investment and talent”, they are “creating a very strong player in this ‘battle of the titans’”, “Our city marketing is too fragmented and inefficient’” etc.

Anyway according to some critics, the “environmental” policy is there to force the farmers off the land, so that these areas can be developed for eg housing. (See eg Vastgoedmafia rooft boerengrond via milieuorganisaties en krijgt er subsidies bij kado - YouTube – unfortunately it’s in Dutch! Maybe there’s a translation out there, but I haven’t found it.)

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Not that I want to weigh in for this debate, but …

If that someone was the Washington Post, the New York Times, and the BBC all said it (and to the main players you can add Sky News, CNN, MSNBC, etc), most would agree that that is the case!

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And five years later did anything materialise?

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Weird isn’t it, the way all these mad mega-projects are getting pushed just as the means - the real, physical energy-and-materials means - are beginning their long shrinkage away from availability; not to mention capital (in its real, non-hallucinated forms).

I expect that quite a few of such projects will never be finished, even if they get launched, as the means choke away, and it all grinds to a halt.

Their real future - as JMGreer describes it in both his futurist fiction and his non-fiction essays - is a landscape of many ruins, where a guild order of professionals - the Ruinmen - lead dangerous lives slowly taking down the white-elephant structures with hand-tools and much muscle, to salvage the steel and other re-usable materials in them.

And meanwhile, a much-reduced human population grubs up a MUCH simpler living; and the wilderness begins to creep back wherever a niche opens up. Wolves in Limburg? Don’t deny it too soon; they’re already nearby in Deutschland…

That’s what makes this so muddled. In a way it was much clearer when the vast majority of the news media ignored or downplayed climate change (most of the last few decades).

Now the disaster capitalists have decided they can make money out of climate change, the media have jumped in. But only for narratives that point the way their capitalist paymasters want.

Sadly, for the rest of us, the planet continues warming and ecosystems are suffering. We’re expecting 40 degrees in england next week. The last highest temp was recorded in cambridge (about 15 miles from me) a couple years back.

Dont let the media fool you into disbelieving… the shit is hitting the fan.


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Was this because the “data” for about 18 years showed little signs of any increase in global average surface temperatures?
James Corbett has some interesting videos on this:

the last references this study:

and this interesting commentary:

this has a Covid ONS fixing feeling to me, imo.


No, I don’t think so.

I think it’s much more likely that the media went out of their way to hide stories that the robber-barons who own them want hidden. The fact that capitalism (and other isms) are leading us to a catastrophe is one such story. They are still doing this, by the way.

Im not sure exactly what significance you think the 18 year period you are referring to has on the global picture of the last 2,000 years… perhaps you can explain it?

Im also somewhat confused by how you put scare quotes around so many basic words.

Or “words” as you might put it…

Hi @RhisiartGwilym , although both James Corbett and Iain Davis are “only” investigative journalists/researchers they do a good job in explaining the alternative views to the “official narrative”

  • I’ve spent a little time watching and reading these 2 on global warming as well as skimming a few books like “Unsettled” by Steven Koonin, “The Hockey Stick Illusion” by A Montford and I too remain unsettled. Apart from the material on global temperatures I found the wider history of the background fascinating:
    How & Why Big Oil Conquered The World - The Corbett Report
    largely supported by Whitney Webb and Iain Davis.
  • links to the Rockerfellers, Eugenics, Technocracy, and the $100 trillion market in green bonds!


PS as to our current heatwave here’s a Consevative view writing for TCW:


Hi @CJ1

I would suggest that this is because you don’t actually read any data that conflicts with your predetermined position.

Full marks for reading one side. How about actually trying to read the other? You could start with the 18 year period you refer to above… theres been a lot written about it.

Good luck!

Hi @PontiusPrimate , check out Koonin’s cv and current position as expressed in his book - his view is centrist as far as I can see. I would also place Judith Curry in that bracket.
Who do you recommend that is free from bias and undue influences?


And the record before that was set at Brogdale, the weather station is at the back of extensive orchards, no reflected heat from concrete, tarmac etc.

Photo from a few years back

For a good example of how woke corporatism is piling on see

These felons are currently astro turfing in NZ and no doubt many other places too

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There are many researchers who are convinced that the robber-barons actually fund green protests, green projects and of course green finance. We think big oil wants to kill the green movement whereas these researches maintain the reverse is the truth.

I was suggesting a reason for the msm adopting a low profile over that period which you referred to - they are clearly pro government platforms seeking to confirm their policies to the public. The public would not be persuaded of severe and catastrophic global warming if average global temperatures were constantly shown to have hardly changed in 18 years this century - they react to weather events today and are given global warming excuses despite there being no provable connection. They have little interest in the 2000 year perspective.

We have learnt under the Covid regime how plain words can be changed to meet policy needs!
I deliberately put “data” in quotes as certain historical records of global average temperatures reported by NASA seemed to have changed - without the general public realising there have been changes not just to predictions but to past satellite records. They were merely told by the MSM that global warming was even worse than we thought it was!
If cherry-picked data can be altered so easily by the data providers then there is a question as to what sort of data we are dealing with. This is what is being claimed by many researchers, I am only observing their claims here.
The question was raised - I think by James Corbett on the lines of : Do you not think it odd that satellite data has been altered only from1998 , and not before, where 1998 was the start of the 18 year “pause” in the global average temperatures. Of course the “data” now shows a rise.


Hi @CJ1 . Thanks for the links. I’m a fan of James Corbett but don’t usually have time to listen to all his material. I found the “What Is The Average Global Temperature” fascinating and didn’t really try and understand all the detail. The thrust of it was enough to convince me (not that I needed convincing) that climate change is another NWO tool and while there may be a modicum of truth in it, most of it is complete BS.

Thanks again.

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Great comment on The Conservative Woman (h/t @CJ1 ).

“Hot? …has no one told Greta?
Greta’s Home, Sweden, Is 3°C COLDER Today Than Nearly All of The Last 9000 Years.
According to peer-reviewed science, Sweden was at least 3°C warmer than it is today about 6000 to 9000 years ago, when CO2 concentrations lingered around 265 ppm. At 410 ppm CO2, 21st century Sweden is colder now than almost any time in the last 9000 years.
No Tricks Zone 26th September 2019”