Several accounts and reports prior to yesterday (when the hospital building was bombed), seem to indicate the hosptial had been occupied and then used by Asov or Ukrainians for several days.
The incident is being used by Zelensky to try to up the stakes with a western ‘no-fly zone’ - an escalation that would put Nato at war with Russia.
H/T to TLN
Evvy, at that link to MoA, the following perspicacious btl comment can be found:
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I posted this in the other comment section, but since you opened another item, I will post it here as well.
I want to point to the basis of propaganda, it is the so called illusion of truth effect. It goes like this:
False fact → repetition → familiarity → processing fluency → true fact
If you repeat a false fact long enough, our brain becomes accustomed to it and thus it is easier to process, that is called processing fluency. An easier to process item is asseessed by our brain more likely to be true than false. Evolution made it that our brain perceives threats by the difficulty to understand them, without us being aware of that assessment. If we had to make concious decisons each day, we would be still lying in bed. That is called heuristics.
Heuristics are simple, efficient rules, learned by evolutionary processes, that have been proposed to explain how people make decisions, come to judgements, and solve problems typically when facing complex problems or incomplete information. These rules work well under most circumstances, but in certain cases can lead to systematic errors or cognitive biases.
Researchers in 2015 found that this illusion of truth effect even works, when we know that the fact is untrue, but are exposed to the opposite for long enough. In other words: Repetition of a fact is such a strong propaganda tool that even the propagandists are affected by it (this explains why Western journalists are in fact self-propagandized):
“The prevailing assumption in the literature has been that knowledge constrains this effect (i.e., repeating the statement “The Atlantic Ocean is the largest ocean on Earth” will not make you believe it). We tested this assumption using both normed estimates of knowledge and individuals’ demonstrated knowledge on a postexperimental knowledge check (Experiment 1). Contrary to prior suppositions, illusory truth effects occurred even when participants knew better. Multinomial modeling demonstrated that participants sometimes rely on fluency even if knowledge is also available to them (Experiment 2). Thus, participants demonstrated knowledge neglect, or the failure to rely on stored knowledge, in the face of fluent processing experiences.”
The paper is here: https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/xge-0000098.pdf
Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 10 2022 11:02 utc | 3
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Even in relation to Syria, the war propaganda on Ukraine has gone through the roof.
It’s the shrieking, tantrumming outrage that does it, Rob, as the managers of the Anglozionist empire realise that there’s eff-all they can do about Russia’s cleansing action, except scream flimsy, substanceless propaganda - and shoot themselves over and over again in their own feet.
And Flabby-Vicki Null-Kag has screwed up yet again by admitting publicly, that - yes, the US gangsters DO have bioweapons labs in the Ukraine - which they’re now closing down and attempting to swab clean, in panicked haste… 
The video footage, complete with bucket of red dye in one shot, was on Intel Slava a day or two ago.
The internal damage has very clearly been caused by a couple of likely lads with a sledge hammer.
Possibly ex employees of some slumlord like Van Hoogstraten. He would accidentally commission some cowboys to demolish the staircase in a building with Rent Act tenants and then take forever to have it repaired. Pulled the same sort of stunt with rights of way near his mansion in Sussex: build a shed across the footpath, or oopsidaisy drop a shipping container right in front of a stile. Mate of Tiny Rowland, Robert Mugabe, and similar thugs.
Different scum, same scum tactics.
Hi foks,
Good stuff from MOA and btl comments , I liked this link showing the loony amateurs trying unsuccessfully to play dead:
Just when Vanessa Beeley tells us about exported terrorists from Syria with their white helmet friends (
we get these Uki versions : The Right Helmets ?
cheers
Before the attack on Syria died down, my favourite (childishly rabelaisian) handle for them was the Shite Helmets. No copyright… 
And now we get the Shite Paper Hats:
Wall to wall comic propaganda from our “independent media”
and the loony tunes cartoon TV news reports hit their nadir:
https://www.channel4.com/news/world
are social media platforms pushing out daily news these days, I’ve lost track!?
cheers
Rhis, I found this a bit interesting…
[Two weeks ago, the greater Kyiv area had a bustling population of about 3.5 million people, its streets buzzing with busy cafes, businesses and bars.
Today, after 13 days of bombing by the Russian military, the Ukrainian capital is deserted, with 50% of its inhabitants gone](‘We all want to return’: residents fleeing Kyiv mourn a deserted city | Kyiv | The Guardian)
Two weeks ago Kiev was still under covid restrictions, which with the lockdowns, etc, has destroyed most small businesses over the last two years, and in particular in the hospitality industry.
An alternate reality doesn’t adequately sum it up.
Ukraine had some of the most restrictive covid regulations of anywhere in the world; that is, until the Russkies invaded, and suddenly, like turning off a light switch, covid has now gone down the memory hole.
Covid was last year’s scam. That’s yielded its paydirt, and will continue to pay the criminal-bastard gics for a while longer. But we’re on to the next one now.
This is so predictable…
To put it briefly, the IAEA is just as corrupt as the UN, the WHO, and all the rest of them.
The massive ‘radioactive release’ that might ensue over the next week or so will give the psychos an excuse for the huge number of people who are going to die as a result of having the jabs (the number of deaths and serious injury is already through the roof).
As usual, I’m a cheery soul.
By the way, I think I’ve already told the story about Van the Man, when he did a gig at the Hay-on-Wye literary festival many years ago now.
Van was off his head; not on rawl plugs, but mostly on Champagne. After he’d done his stuff, Van had to take an early morning flight from Cardiff airport. Cardiff is a two or three hour journey from Hay-on-Wye, a very nice drive through the Welsh mountains and valleys.
Anyhows, if that taxi driver is tuning in I’ll leave them to tell the story…
Hi @RhisiartGwilym , I recognised Dan T Gilbert’s stuff in some of this which they reference ( “How mental systems believe”) but they do take certain liberties by defining what is true - I noticed this passage which I know will annoy you:
“ We encounter many misleading claims in our daily lives, some
of which have the potential to affect important decisions. For
example, many people purchase “toning” athletic shoes to improve their fitness or take preventative doses of vitamin C to avoid contracting a cold. How do such misconceptions enter our knowledge base and inform our choices? One key factor appears to be repetition: Repeated statements receive higher truth ratings than new statements, a phenomenon called the illusory truth effect.”
In describing how or why we believe things as true we should be careful not to actually give examples of things and state that they are objectively and indubitably the truth. Subjective views of what are true to a person are often more useful to guide us, as is intuition, imo.
cheers
Nice to see that our two minute hate is diverse media are flourishing. The maimed pregnant woman is a distant cousin of that redhead who was so brutally pinned down for the cameras while protesting about Sarah Everard. Allegedly.
On the plus side, it’s not every day Facebook gives permission to post death threats. 
Here’s Mark Crispin Miller’s take on that Nuland / Rubio pantomime:
The dramatic back-and-forth between Victoria Nuland and Marco Rubio the other day—about the US bio-labs dotting Ukraine, and the possibility that “Russian forces may gain control of” them—has Glenn Greenwald and other savvy commentators deeming it a bombshell revelation of the awful truth: i.e., that there are US bio-labs throughout Ukraine, as Russia and China have been saying (so it’s not a “conspiracy theory” after all); and that Russia will now seize them.
That interpretation of the Nuland/Rubio duet casts it as a moment of rare honesty in Washington—she uneasily “confessed” the awful truth about the bio-labs, and he, “stunned” by that surprise “admission,” then asked, fearfully, if this means that any biological attack to come must be Russia’s doing; to which (of course) she said it does.
That’s how Greenwald, and the commentator in the video below, present the moment:
Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further "proof” that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be “100% sure” that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.
Since anything is possible, it’s possible that, “for some reason,” Nuland “told a version of the truth,” which prompted an astonished Rubio to ask if Russia, then, might now get its gross hands on whatever awful pathogens are stored in those facilities, and use them against us. That reading of the back-and-forth depicts it as a sort of gotcha moment, wherein Nuland, “for some reason,” spilled the beans.
*That’s one way to look at it. The other is this: That back-and-forth was staged, to set us up for the next “pandemic”—this one to be blamed on Russia, just as the last one was on China (only). According to this view, Nuland and Rubio were acting just as you’d expect, she as a neocon fanatic, and ruthless propaganda operative, he as a diehard “ant-communist” (“Russia,” in his mind, being “communist,” just as “Putin,” in his mind, is Stalin). Thus Nuland’s visible ”discomfort” at having to “admit” the presence of those bio-labs was all an act, and so, perhaps, was Rubio’s amazement, as their duet served the dual purpose of (a) laying the groundwork for the next global “virus” panic (hemorrhagic fever, anyone?), and (b) blaming it on Putin/Stalin, so that the Russia-hatred can continue through the next barrage of bio-fascist “measures” (enabling us to tell ourselves that *we—like the Ukrainians!—revere democracy, while Russia is totalitarian, though the “democracies” today are looking, and behaving, more and more like Nazi Germany).
Now, one might counter-argue that Nuland surely let the cat out of the bag—that her acknowledgement of all those bio-labs (built on Obama’s watch) was an embarrassment for the US, and grounds for Serious Investigation of the US biowarfare policy in months to come. While all that may be true (my mind is open on the subject), I really don’t believe the US government is any longer capable of being embarrassed; nor is it likely, in my view, that Congress or the media will ever seek to bring the US biowarfare criminals to justice, as long as they can keep on blaming Russia for whatever happens next. (If they’re so keen to bring such criminals to justice, why is Dr. Fauci still at large?)
Here’s the GG piece Miller refs:
GG
I understand my local council is supporting Ukraine by helping to collect food and medical donations for Ukrainians and flying their flag! I don’t recall their help for the battered people in the Donbas over the last 8 years, or Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq ……
As much as I support aid to all people in need did we ever support German families whilst their government was run by Nazis? Just asking!
To what extent is the process of some donations part of inculcating knee jerk support for political policies which are corrosive and dubious at best? And the encouragement of those donations part of the propagandising process? Is this another Nudge unit policy like NHS clapping to maintain the mass formation?
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Pretty much every transaction I’ve made online in the last week or so has suggested a donation to Ukraine. I heard on the radio yesterday a caller in to Talkradio reporting how him a bunch of Uke players hit upon the idea of busking - Ukes for Ukraine - apparently they raised 13hundred pounds within a matter of hours!! Good going - and I hope it does go to a good cause - - but there you see, isn’t this just a shyster’s charter - pretty certain that unscrupulous people will be coining it in. Pat Hennigsen was reporting that some colleges in the states were encouraging students to donate - but it transpired that the funds were going directly to NATO!!!
Some decent-looking analysis here:
Hi @Kieran_Telo , yes good stuff on Marianna although I personally can’t see she is the one on the stretcher she’s probably another Right helmet actress. I still love this video of another of their scams:
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The ignorance about C is everywhere, CJ: amongst lay people and medical professionals about equally. So easy to patter out an idea which “everybody knows”, without checking in depth to see whether it might actually be mistaken…
OTOH, the reliable facts about C, known in the main for decades, are easily available for anyone who wants to wise up. As ever, ‘Doctoryourself.com’ has the complete lowdown.