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Dr. Claus Kohnlein, author of 'Virus Mania', with some crucial perspective on HCQ+ and PCR

Seems to vindicate my personal leaning towards big-dose vit C as the preferred absolute number one best approach, since that’s known to be an immune-system beefer-up, an anti-biotic and anti-viral - in one! - as well as giving several other valuable assistances to health, as a natural food therapeutic; and has NO bad side effects, and no known LD50 observed, even in people taking massive doses.

Many other catamongstthepigeons observations too from Claus. For instance, he doesn’t believe that there IS a covid epidemic, but a PCR-faked casedemic, and if we stopped ‘testing’, the alleged epidemic would be found to have already vanished. He also suggests that there is no genuine excess death outcome from this illness now, though there was that initial spike last Spring; but there too, he doubts the official story about what actually happened.

Claus is a veteran clinical doctor, who was involved in the AIDS uproar, and saw a similar irrational - and unjustified - panic about that too. He also observed Fauci racketeering there too, and has some sharp things to say about his malign influence in both that and the current panic. Claus has no good word for remdesevir.

Once again, I have no idea how much weight to give to this heterodoxy (though it certainly resonates strongly with my gut intuition about this whole thing). But it certainly illustrates that the alleged consensus being screeched by the propaganda system about covid is fake, and doesn’t in fact exist.

PS: these dissenting perspectives create a steadily growing credibility to the suspicion that ‘pandemics’ have become the - obviously repeating - scam of choice preferred by the gics and their scamming servitors, to increase their WealthPowerStatus fixes for their over-riding addiction, in stampeding the sheep (of the sheep/goats split) to exactly where they want them; shelling out billions into the gics’ dragon-hoards without so much as a single baa of dissent:

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And btw, here’s another apropos video from Dr. Sam Bailey, the young woman interviewing Claus Kohnlein in the vid above - this one on excess deaths…

What an excellent find Rhis. The excess mortality has always been the one issue in my mind with the spike just after the first UK lockdown. He explains it perfectly!

@PontiusPrimate You have gotta watch this (the 1st video)!!

Oh, quelle surprise! His book Virus Mania is “currently unvailable” on Amazon and Book Depository.

Try here: https://book4you.org/book/11370006/fff405

Thanks for that find, Karen. Copied below is the blurb for ‘Virus Mania’, given at the site to which you link. Reading it, I find the words ‘phlogiston’ and ‘a strong immune system is the only realworld curer of illness’ springing to mind again. (Phlogiston, because until a century or two ago, this - imaginary - fluid was supposed to be the product of combustion of flammable materials; a long-abandoned hypothesis; will ‘viruses’ go to the same discarded-ideas bin?) Here’s the blurb:

QUOTE:

Virus Mania: Corona/COVID-19, Measles, Swine Flu, Cervical Cancer, Avian Flu, SARS, BSE, Hepatitis C, AIDS, Polio - How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics Making Billion-Dollar Profits At Our Expense

Torsten Engelbrecht, Köhnlein Claus

If one follows public pronouncements, the world is repeatedly afflicted with new terrible virus diseases. As the latest horror variant, the so-called coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 dominated the headlines. The population is also terrified by reports of measles, swine flu, SARS, BSE, AIDS or polio. However, The authors of Virus Mania, journalist Torsten Engelbrecht and doctor of internal medicine Claus Köhnlein, MD, show that this fannning of fear is totally unfounded and that virus mayhem ignores very basic scientific facts: the existence, the pathogenicity and the deadly effects of these agents have never been proven. The book “Virus Mania” will also outline how modern medicine has pushed direct virus proof methods aside and uses dubious indirect tools to “prove” the existence of viruses such as antibody tests and the polymerase chain reaction (PCR).

The alleged contagious viruses may be, in fact, also be seen as particles produced by the cells themselves as a consequence of certain stress factors such as drugs. These particles are then identified by antibody and PCR tests and interpreted as epidemic-causing viruses by doctors who have been inoculated for over 100 years by the theory that microbes are deadly and only modern medications and vaccines will protect us from virus pandemics.

The central aim of this book is to steer the discussion back to a real scientific debate and put medicine back on the path of an impartial analysis of the facts. It will put medical experiments, clinical trials, statistics and government policies under the microscope, revealing that the people charged with protecting our health and safety have deviated from this path. Along the way, Engelbrecht and Köhnlein will analyze all possible causes of illness such as pharmaceuticals, lifestyle drugs, pesticides, heavy metals, pollution, stress and processed (and sometimes genetically modified) foods. All of these can heavily damage the body of humans and animals and even kill them. And precisely these factors typically prevail where the victims of alleged viruses live and work. To substantiate these claims, the authors cite dozens of highly renowned scientists, among them the Nobel laureates Kary Mullis, Barbara McClintock, Walter Gilbert, Sir Frank Macfarlane Burnet and microbiologist and Pulitzer Prize winner René Dubos. The book presents approximately 1,100 pertinent scientific references, the majority of which have been published recently.

The topic of this book is of pivotal significance. The pharmaceutical companies and top scientists rake in enormous sums of money by attacking germs and the media boosts its audience ratings and circulations with sensationalized reporting (the coverage of the New York Times and Der Spiegel are specifically analyzed). Individuals pay the highest price of all, without getting what they deserve and need most to maintain health: enlightenment about the real causes and true necessities for prevention and cure of their illnesses. “The first step is to give up the illusion that the primary purpose of modern medical research is to improve people’s health most effectively and efficiently,” advises John Abramson of Harvard Medical School. “The primary purpose of commercially-funded clinical research is to maximize financial return on investment, not health.”

Virus Mania will inform you on how such an environment took root - and how to empower yourself for a healthy life.

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PS: Should underline that I remain open-minded about the alleged existence of pathogenic viruses. The idea may be true. But there’s a lot of evidence on the other pan of the scales. That evidence would explain why, during an alleged virus epidemic, some get ill whilst others don’t. The major difference always seems to be the condition of the subject’s immune system; is it maintained up to full strength or not?

In being a long-time exponent of vitamin C as both a curative and a prophylactic, I point out repeatedly its proven multiple functions in the body; not only as potent ammunition for the immune functions, but as a chelator of toxic-materials insult, together with a range of other beneficial anti-oxidant and inflammation-regulating functions: An essential ingredient - in substantial daily quantities of properly-healthy food. Exactly the panacea we need in today’s wilfully-polluted world.

I suspect that C is one of the reasons why I’ve made it to 80 without ever having a bout of serious infectious illness in my entire life. Got investigated by pathogens from time to time, sure, to try whether I might be a likely victim. I’ve felt that happening occasionally; but I’ve never once succumbed spectacularly. That was down to a perennially-strong immune system, I now believe. Certainly my recent brush with the covid thing - whatever it is - followed this pattern: absolutely no sweat whatever! :slight_smile:

Hi RG

So, I watched the video this morning, and had a few thoughts - a mix of the good and the bad.

First up, I’m not really qualified to understand whether viruses lead to diseases. I’d like to see someone who knows the subject weigh in. For now I remain agnostic on that.

Secondly, on the subject of AIDS deaths in Africa not being a big deal, I think the good Dr Claus is wrong. I grew up in Tanzania - as you know - and I can tell you that AIDS caused a lot of death there. The same was true in Uganda. Whole villages and towns existed where the only people left alive were the young and the old - everybody in between died of AIDS. At least that is my recollection. I’ll look into this a bit more deeply.

Thirdly, on the subject of over-prescribing medication, I have no doubt that we are all highly over-medicated, and I’m sure that the primary reasons for that are the profit margins of pharma companies.

Fourthly, his point on judging the efficacy of a medication (including HCQ) based on actual, placebo controlled trials - especially if there is a chance that the patient will get better by themselves - is a really good one. I 100% agree.

Now, on to the subject of the Coronavirus. Sometimes I feel like I’m shouting into the void on this site. I’ve already spoken about every single point that was raised in this video, with many, many hours of research on my part, digging into papers, looking at stats, excess mortality, ICU occupancy, fatality rates, modeling the spread - the works. I have put in significant effort to try and get to the bottom of a lot of claims, and have shown over and over again how people are mis-using stats, and making a lot of false claims.

Despite this, I simply get ignored the next time some chap comes along and makes exactly the same false claims again as if this is somehow new, and has invalidated the long hours of work I’ve put in to show that the last time these things were said, they were false.

Let’s do an experiment:

How many people who read this thread went and checked Euromomo to see if his chart was correct?.

I’ve put that link on this site quite a few times already…

I’m not sure of the value of my commenting in detail on this video, only to be totally ignored again - it’s getting tiresome, and it takes effort on my part. So instead I’ll sum up my main conclusion about the good Doctor:

Just about every point he made about the coronavirus pandemic was wrong

Not just “open to interpretation”, or “perhaps we’ll know more when the facts are in”, but demonstrably, laughably and completely wrong.

If you are interested in any detail, please ask, and I’ll try and answer, but I won’t volunteer detail anymore as no one seems to pay the slightest attention to the words I write. And it’s exactly the same set of arguments that I’ve gone through the last half a dozen times, pretty much verbatim.

It’s an interesting and open question how someone who is clearly as qualified as Dr Kohnlein can be so completely wrong on such basic issues. Cognitive bias? Agent provocateur? Some other reason? I’m interested in opinions on that.

Cheers
PP

I wonder how close Doctor Klaus Kohnleim is to the UK picture. Thinking there is no excess deaths other than the April spike, he cites HCQ trials as the reason for the spike of deaths in April. What he says of the RECOVERY trial itself is quite correct - they used dosage comparable to the lethal dose (plus they were sick patients). But such trials can not be the reason for the spike in excess deaths. He seems to believe this was happening all over the country. I’m surprised another doctor accepted this so readily - the dangers of committing to a position, possibly influenced by her having a book coming out about ‘virus mania’. In the late summer I can see how the picture would have looked different, especially with a lifestyle to sell - but that’s no reason to accept compelling-sounding claims that she should know were nonsense.

He says there is no excess deaths since these trials have stopped. This video was made in late October, before the big rises of the so-called ‘second wave’. It probably seemed that way, but there have been no fiddly HCQ trials to explain the excess deaths over the recent months, after the video was made. I think we would need his explanation for those.
It’s probably even worse news for sceptical activists - they need to check use-by dates, and ruthlessly shelve or re-evaluate material that has not been borne out by events. Big :frowning_face:

What is the question regarding the virus, is it:

Is there a virus or not
Is there a virus but it hasn’t been isolated, possibly due to zooming in early on the relevant parts of the sequence.
Is there something else that is being missed? Maybe it’s normal detritus or fragments, the immune system clearing out it’s rubbish.

Do any of these explanations change the reality of the treatment picture much? I’m not sure they do. Antivirals seem to remove it; whatever it is, it has spikes that the experimental ‘vaccines’(*) can train the immune system to attack. And a well-nourished immune system might do the best job, without even filing an extra claim for credit.

(*) The 3 main contenders not strictly qualifying as vaccines, as they are not biological entities, rather genetic codes. They should be called ‘synthetic gene therapy’.

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Much as I’d like to I haven’t read beyond the blurb posted above, but a few quick points:

  • Of course viruses exist, and can lead to illnesses, not least the complex of serious health problems caused by HIV, and the example of Tanzania is very relevant, so too South Africa, and many others.

  • The thrust of the book, if the blurb is accurate, is that some illness is exaggerated/exploited for profit. That is very probably so, but…

  • It’s equally true that specialisms of all kinds ‘evolve’ to occupy an “ecological niche”, to paraphrase Ian Hacking, and medicine/pharmaceutical industries are no exception. (See also a number of - dare I mention the name - M. Foucault texts.)

I am open-minded as to whether there is a covert agenda by governments, scientists, Herr Schwab, Bill Gates, etc. If there is, it seems likely to be opportunistic (emergent) rather than some grandiose master plan.

That certain agendas become favoured, and are helped to ‘evolve’, is more to do with power, in all its complex manifestations, and power and propaganda are inseparable.

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P, I’d like to put in another plea for being extremely reserved about trusting ANY stats. at the moment, from anywhere. I think there’s good reason to suspect that they’re being ‘damn-lied’ pretty well across the board. At the moment, I’ve no confident idea about how to sort it all out.

I really appreciate you hours of detailed scrutiny. It’s very much what the whole wretched situation needs, and it’s precisely this same responsible close examination of the facts which got you into bad odour with the Leaky Hulk shouters, I know. It’s just that I have no idea what - if anything - we can declare established fact right now.

I find myself falling back more and more on intuitive gestaltic thinking about it all for the moment. Nothing else seems even tolerably trustworthy. Not an ideal solution, I know. But all I feel I have to go on.

Don’t despair, bro. At least your meticulous appraisal of all the facts that can be found is well respected here. Certainly by me, anyhow. And by all the regular readers here, I’m sure. :slight_smile:

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And Karen: Yes, the emergent opportunism seems to me to be very much a major part of what’s going on right now - just as usual, really whenever there’s the sniff of a profitable crisis.

I never give much credence to the proposition that it’s all a grand, global conspiracy; especially not one which has been incubated for decades, or even centuries, by such as the Rothschilds. Just main-chancers-on-the-make, bandwaggon-leaping, as usual. But with some obviously long-agenda-driven jiggery pokery by such as the Gates crew added in as well. A perfidious mix!

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I’d definitely echo that

Appreciate the sentiment, RG. I’m sure that whatever the facts of the matter, the various different factions will continue fighting over the story for a long time to come.

Who knows where this whole mess will end up?

Cheers
PP

I know it’s small comfort when you put in all the meticulous work, bro. But be reassured: the real truth will ooze out eventually, over time, as it always does in my - by now - somewhat elongated experience. And when it does, your meticulous approach will be crucial for sorting out the real truth. Till then, I’m afraid it’s that - deeply-emotionally-unsatisfying - rule of… wait and see! :anguished:

Thanks. Got it from Amazon (whom I hate), Italy! We’ll see if it gets delivered.

Perhaps take a look at the Rockerfeller 2010 “Lock Step” document, Read some of the UN Agenda 2021, and 2030, and watch the well publicised Evnt 201. In my opinion, one would be hard pressed to conclude that there is not an agenda, well planned, and surprisingly not covert, but heavily masked (pun not intended).

@PontiusPrimate . I read your post about people not listening to your arguments. I can only speak for myself. Sometimes I just do not have the time to read the long and detailed posts and for the complex ones, I don’t have the expertise, time, or perseverance to analyse and respond. However, here is a short response to this particular thread

It seems to me that not liking the message doesn’t disqualify what he says overall or make him into a “fake news” purveyor. What he actually said about AIDS (my paraphrase) was there was not a new disease, but known diseases but assigned the title of AIDS and hence became a pandemic. He did not make light of the deaths.

It seems you missed the point completely here. He was offering a possible (and in my view highly probable) explanation for the spike in U.K. excess mortality just after last years initial lockdown.

If I may be so bold, watch the video again with an open mind.

Thanks for you thoughts, Pat

yes, I got that. The question is why did so many more people die simultaneously with the spread of AIDS. Almost everyone who has AIDS actually dies of a different disease - that’s how it works. But the numbers shot up once AIDS became a thing. I also remember him saying that he “spoke to morticians in South Africa, and they said they were no more busy than usual” or something like that. I dispute that point in general - I think mortality in Sub-Saharan Africa went up due to AIDS.

I understood him to make two points - a more general one that doctors have a tendency to prescribe medicine even when it’s unclear whether there is any benefit - or indeed if it causes actual harm, and a second point specific about Covid and HCQ overdosing.

The first point seems reasonable to me - I do think that there is a rush to prescribe - particularly in the US, and the second point (about Covid) was laughably wrong as I said.

Cheers