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Don't think chomsky will respond this time

My hunch is that the ‘great man’ won’t reply this time, either because my sending address is indeed tagged for his spam folder, or because he does indeed regard my emails as a waste of his time.

Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 10:58 AM
From: "rippon
To: "Chomsky,
Subject: ‘red traffic lights and covid jabs’

Dear Mr Chomsky,

This global campaign of jabbing billions of people (including children, where even those of toddler age are in the targeting sights of the jab-pushers) is an affront to science and basic human morality, e.g. the Nuremberg principles.

Anyone who backs this campaign is doing so out of a religious-type faith in the ‘science’ being peddled by global players, e.g. WHO, UN, big-pharma, GatesFoundation, many governments, big-media.

The ‘science’ behind the professed route to good public health (e.g. masks, lockdowns, covid ‘vaccines’) is a mixture of flawed (e.g. in the case of those who are acting in good faith but mistaken in their education, understanding and outlook), fraudulent (e.g. in the case of those scientists who know better but bury that knowledge to suit others, e.g. big-pharma paymasters) and immoral (e.g. in the case of those who are suppressing info about vaccine-damage).

You have thrown around idiotic phrases like “dedicated killer” to describe those, e.g. anti-vaxxers, who are against what is going on. You have made a mockery of your own professed faith in true-education (as opposed to indoctrination) and science (as opposed to ideology and religion) by speaking exactly like a religious fanatic yourself.

– ‘made a mockery’ because you have apparently read, let alone debunked (or cited anyone who debunks), none of the scientists and medics who strongly caution against this jabbing campaign, if not ‘vaccines’ (and, indeed, most allopathic drugs and invasive procedures) in general.

A particularly striking aspect of the covid propaganda is the way in which it radically changes the heretofore understanding of ‘vaccine’. Before 2021, everyone understood a ‘vaccine’ to be a jab you would take once (typicallly in childhood) to provide immunity to a virus and subsequently never worry about the medical status of anyone near you because you were protected. And that protection would be lifelong or, at worst, require a booster every decade or two.

Now you have readily swallowed the new definition: a vaccine is something that merely reduces the probability of illness and infection, and the protection can be mere months so that boosters might be required more than once per year.

You are apparently completely ignorant of the revisionist history of medicine and vaccines. It would be intellectually reasonable to disagree with that alternative and say why the establishment version of history is superior. But you don’t do that, so, regardless of the political position you take (pro-establishment), you have failed at a more fundamental level - as an intellectual. An intellectual could be of any ideology (e.g. pro-establishment, like you) but, as an intellectual, his first responsibility is to dissect and debunk the arguments of the other side.

But you have simply ‘argued’ like a juvenile, repeatedly bleating pat phrases (e.g. “the evidence is overwhelming”) to ‘support’ your position. And your ‘evidence’ is just instances of correlation.

If you ever do rise above juvenile mentality and focus on the more difficult problem of establishing causation instead of, like a child, focusing on the simple problem of spotting a correlation, then you might appreciate the alternative-medicine outlook. For example, antibiotics: the high presence of certain bacteria in a sick person does not mean that those bacteria are causing the illness, so ingesting an antibiotic to kill those bacteria is wrong-headed. The bacteria might be doing a clean-up job, so killing them could be exactly the wrong route.

The dissident perspective regarding covid jabbing is similar to that on nuclear power. The argument against nuclear power is that it’s a dangerous technology whose consequences cannot be controlled nor predicted adequately; but we do have good knowledge about the dire consequences for human health when things go wrong. Therefore, stop or, at most, proceed with utmost caution.

Now, you might regard nuclear power technology as perfectly safe and argue that we should race ahead with it for good reasons, e.g. prevent hospitals from losing power. What intellectuals and scientists (the ones with any integrity), who support nuclear power, endeavour to do is, take the anti-nuclear arguments, dissect and debunk them. Now we come to another field of brand new technology: covid ‘vaccines’. With this technology, you have abandoned the norms and conventions of intellect and science. You deliberately repeatedly choose to ignore the dissident science (e.g. from Mike Yeadon). You do not dissect and debunk it, nor do you cite any experts who do that.

If the dissidents are correct in their analysis and predictions regarding this global jabbing campaign, governments are now engaged in the biggest crime against humanity in history.

You argue that the practice of people accepting vaccines should have the status of a commonly understood convention/norm in society. But for anyone to argue anything, they should observe the conventions and norms of intellect and science. You don’t do that, which means that your ‘argument’ (an elevated term for your juvenile thinking) is mere mantra (“the evidence is overwhelming!”) and propaganda.

Now, in a free-speech society, and by the logic you espoused in past decades (when your mental faculties were still intact), you should indeed be allowed to spout dangerous garbage. The ‘logic’ you employ now says that people who oppose your desired norm regarding vaccines should be isolated because they endanger all of us.

You are advocating for a slippery slope because, as the realisation grows that the global jabbing campaign is a danger to public health, then your own logic dictates that you yourself should be isolated because you have abandoned the ethical norms of humanity that underlie all other norms (e.g. your desired vaccine norms), i.e. the norms of rational argument, thus making you a danger to all of us.

There is legal work going on around the world (e.g. by Reiner Fuellmich) to bring charges against the leading lights in the jabbing-campaign, e.g. Faucci, based on the fact that the science is fraudulent. This drama will probably take at least a decade to play out, not least because the drama surrounding another instance of totalitarianism (Nazi Germany) continues to play out many decades on. Apart from those, e.g. Faucci, implementing the plan, there are also the propagandists, e.g. yourself, promoting it. It is not clear at this stage against whom charges may be brought and whether that will include propagandists.

You may have nothing to worry about, though, because, in your nineties, you might pass away before anyone can arrest you.

You showed some cognisance of the responsibility of intellectuals in your youth (because you wrote a famous essay with that very title). The very first responsibility of them is to observe their norms of intellectual engagement (e.g. rational argument, the scientific method). You effectively (through your silence about it) declare openly your zero interest in the output of the thousands of scientists around the world who expose the scientific fraud that is underway - particularly now, but has in fact been the case with allopathic medicine for the last century. Now you show zero cognisance. Your position now, then, is not a good one, but it could at least be admissible if people took the view that you are not an intellectual anyway, so those norms don’t apply. That increasingly seems to be the case because, in a very recent excretion from you (on youtube), you argued, again, like a dumb teenager suffering Dunning-Kruger delusion - in your idiotic analogy between obeying red traffic lights and obeying vaccine mandates.

That, too, could be part of your way out of the avalanche of denunciation you now face: ‘The guy’s not an intellectual anyway, just another dumb f*cker at the bar who spouts ‘expert’ garbage.’

Your stupidity could save you from a fate worse than denunciation.

But you apparently do consider yourself knowledgeable and wise on the subject of covid (because, as you clumsily put it, you “follow the facts closely”); you apparently do consider yourself a person worth listening to.

In that case, then, either apologise and retract, or brace yourself for the consequences because the resistance might come after not just those implementing the fraud-based totalitarianism but the propagandists supporting it too.

Best wishes,
Rippon

Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 7:49 PM
From: "rippon
To: "Chomsky,
Subject: Re: [EXT]advocating for apartheid

Another logical nonsense - to expect a “dedicated killer” to apologise; like the nonsense of expecting immoral people (jab refuseniks) to act decently (isolate themselves from society voluntarily).

Nevertheless, I am ready to meet your demand.

I apologise for making you angry.

Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 7:32 PM
From: "Chomsky,
To: "rippon
Subject: Re: [EXT]advocating for apartheid

It is indeed a very serious crisis, but I have no responsibility to waste time with people like you who are trying to make it worse, and who – for whatever reason – are utterly immune to plain fact. Like the fact that unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die than vaccinated ones. That the US has the lowest vaccination rate among the wealthy countries and is the prime hot spot in the world of any functioning society. That in Idaho – to take the state you mention --hospitals have to cancel regular treatments because hospitals are crashing under covid cases, almost all unvaccinated. And on and on.

So to repeat, I have no responsibility to waste time with people unable to comprehend that they are dedicated killers, blind to the overwhelming facts before their eyes.

Period. From now on either apology or the spam file

From: rippon
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 11:08 AM
To: Chomsky,
Subject: Re: [EXT]advocating for apartheid

“I have no further responsibilities in this matter”

This is a very serious global crisis, so the responsibilities of any functioning adult cannot end, certainly not at this point, and probably not for years to come.

By your own logic, your current and ongoing responsibility in the matter of covid misinformation is as follows.

The problem (from your perspective) is that I am not a lone ‘moron’. Millions of people across the world (e.g. Idaho) reject the establishment covid narrative, but you yourself buy that prescription (masks-lockdowns-jabs) as the way forward.

Here are a few bullet points of what the rejection is based on:

  • The jabs are a serious hazard to public health (as ‘vaccines’ have always been). The mRNA brands don’t even qualify as ‘vaccines’; indeed ‘gene therapy’ is more accurate. It is extremely reckless to conduct this experiment in brand new biotechnology on the global population.

  • Coercing people into making themselves subjects in a human biology experiment breaches the Nuremberg principles.

  • The danger of covid (even if we accept it as significant and not hyped) is being used for political ends - a reset of the global economy by a globalist hegemony caste; the measures (e.g. lockdowns) are not motivated by a concern for public health but by an agenda to further concentrate power and control within that caste.

From your perspective, that (and much else from the resistance) is dangerous misinformation (worse, it is “moronic” “concoctions” “lies” “baseless” “confusions” “blind” etc).

Therefore, those beliefs must be thoroughly debunked. Since you “follow the facts closely” and command a global audience, you naturally have a special responsibility in that debunking exercise.

Since you “follow the facts closely” you will know the output of the leading dissident scientists (e.g. Dr Mike Yeadon, to name just one). The question to you, again, is:

How did you come to the conclusion that the output of the dissidents (e.g. Yeadon) can be rejected? Perhaps you have read some articles somewhere, from eminent scientists on the other side of the fence, where the dissident output has been addressed and debunked.

I myself have provided references to illustrate why I believe what I do. I am simply asking for better references, which you won’t have missed perhaps because you’re following the covid drama more closely than me. Those better references would do the decent job of addressing and debunking the dissidence, not the indecent job of simply dismissing it as ‘moronic blind baseless confused dangerous nonsense’. Dismissing and censoring dissidence tends to stimulate more dissidence.

By your own perspective and logic, then, you certainly do have further responsibility in this matter, as follows: Given what a major threat to humanity covid is, your responsibility is to draw upon your ‘close following of the facts’ to mitigate the dissidence, not to stimulate an entrenching and expansion of morons embracing dangerous nonsense.

(Again, I feel I’m borrowing an argument of your very own: ‘The Responsbility of Intellectuals’, written at a time when you were a Chomsky of the Chomsky-type rather than a Chomsky of the Hitchens-type.)

Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 9:34 PM
From: "Chomsky,
To: "rippon
Subject: Re: [EXT]advocating for apartheid

I read your letters carefully, refuted each of your claims accurately with no fallacies logical or other.

If you cannot understand, sorry. I have no further responsibilities in this matter

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You never know…

I must admit I would have been very tempted to add:

“P.S. Would you buy my groceries for me?”

:grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Rippon. I reckon you’ve got too much time on your hands. I guess you will have heard the saying “the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome” :innocent:

You make a good point, Pat. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

But:

That means Chomsky is far more mad than me because he keeps replying (I won’t share his reply for now; I’ll wait to see, first, how long this new thread continues); and I’m not special so I’m probably just one of tens with whom he is doing this

By “expecting a different outcome”, you must mean expecting Chomsky to recant or backtrack (rather than doubling-down). Well, I’m not expecting that, but I continue to think it’s a possibility, given his lifelong commitment to truth and honesty. But let’s assume his mind is unchangeable and fully committed to his current position. Then I think there is still some point (not least because I’m not interested in changing anyone’s mind anyway - would feel quite presumptuous to think I have that power over anyone). The point is: he has struck fear into jab-refuseniks by advocating a policy of fascism against them.

We are in a war (primarily propaganda, sometimes violence) waged by governments on their populations. Chomsky has chosen the wrong side (government). Chomsky’s side apparently thinks that it is only the other side that needs to fear legal/lawful consequences, hence Chomsky’s hinting at internment camps for the unjabbed. Chomsky needs to be aware that he and his fellow fascists are also targets for retribution under the law.

That is indeed something new that I have said to him. I haven’t tried to change his mind about anything. I have warned him (just as he has warned jab-refuseniks about their future fate as a consequence of their decisions). I’m pretty sure that he didn’t envisage that the boot could be on the other foot, because he is on the jackbooted side himself (just as the Nazis believed they would eternally be the most powerful group).

It is right though, isn’t it, that belabouring one who more and more seems to have succumbed to geriatric mental degeneration is a sort of elder abuse. Best to just note the he seems to be going ga-ga, poor bugger, and leave him be. He has been a towering intellect in the past. Just celebrate that, and draw a veil of decency across this sorry fall from savvy…

People often refer to his age and his mental-state. I don’t buy it. He seems perfectly clear-headed and articulate, no more or less than two decades ago. Indeed, suggesting otherwise could be a bit ageist.

I don’t think he himself would appreciate that either - the suggestion that his opinions cannot be taken seriously because he is now too old. I’m sure he himself prefers people (like me) to say he’s stupid because he’s very wrong, rather than, because he’s very old.

Moreover, in a sense, age in itself has nothing to do with it because he is simply expressing the same view of many others (e.g. politicians) decades younger than himself.

How to explain it, then? Of course it’s a commonplace that fiery red-hot youthful radicals trek dolefully rightwards as they age; so many sad examples of that. But is that what’s happened to Noam? This current stand in favour of fascistic opportunism riding on the back of a pseudopandemic, which savvy teenagers can suss is fake, is simply bafflingly ridiculous. WTF is wrong with him!

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Hi folks, given Chomsky did exactly the same with 2 other world shaking events -JFK and 9/11 - and didn’t he go all anti-Assad recently - he’s just continuing his well worn path and adding to his blind spots! If you keep increasing your blind spots the world gradually disappears!

cheers

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I think Blumenthal was onto something, in trying to explain it, in his video-chat with Dore.

He said that, in his youth, Chomsky demonstrated his intrinsic affinity with technocracy, through his contribution to command-and-control technology for a military contractor who, itself, contributed to American power in the Vietnam War. (Subsequently, Chomsky became a political opponent of that war.)

I think Blumenthal’s argument is that Chomsky has a natural affinity with the technocratic class and thus, when an issue is dominated by technocracy, as indeed ‘mRNA technology’ is, then he can lose his connection with ordinary people and politics and gravitate towards his technocratic soulmates.

I think Darren Allen (if I remember rightly) has also given a bit of insight into ‘the problem with Chomsky’, along these lines:
All genuine dissidents and anarchists find it difficult or impossible to sustain their employment within institutions, because they keep getting into trouble because they keep pointing out absurdities, hypocrisies, etc. But Chomsky has never been in trouble, even over decades of work at a preeminently conservative institution, MIT.

So it seems that, underneath it all, Chomsky has a natural affinity with technocracy and institutions. He believes in them. Persistently recommending that people vote Blue is another indicator of his faith in institutions.

My theory is that, politically, he has never actually engaged in any intellectually challenging questions.

  • Is the invasion of Vietnam morally right of wrong?
  • Is the invasion of Iraq morally right or wrong?
  • Is it more moral to raise taxes on the rich or the poor?
  • Should healthcare be a profit-driven enterprise?

Underneath it all, maybe he’s just a simpleton who brings ‘great intellect’ to bear on the most simple questions, which a ten-year-old could answer in an instant; Chomsky’s only contribution being the tonnes of references he brings forth to prove his elementary case.

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Rhis, I’m now 57 years old (I know, you’ll view me as a a spring chicken). I find that the older I get the more left wing I become. I say that from a somewhat privileged position (thesedays), in that I have enough money to live on.

I suppose I’m an old lefty, who has lived through and watched the last four decades in abject horror.

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That also describes me perfectly, except for one fly in the ointment. Since Coroni, the old labels of left/right/socialist/social democrat/communist seem to me to be meaningless and maybe they always were but I didn’t realise it. I find a lot of common ground with what used to be called the right wing. For example, I am in total agreement with a lot of The Conservative Woman blog site, and with many of the southern US Republicans except on the subject of religion.

That said, on the older understanding of left and right, I’m with you.

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Rob and Pat, you state it exactly for me too. Definitely a more radical ‘lefty’ (if that’s still the right word) as I age! :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Pat, I agree with you: we have to leave the left-right paradigm in the dustbin of history.

On the Conservative side, James Delingpole is a good example of this. Recently Delingpole had Gerald Celente on his podcast. Delingpole said to Celente: “six months ago I wouldn’t have you on my podcast, because I would have thought you were a complete nut”. Delingpole has now done a complete 180 on it all. He recently had Whitney Webb on his podcast. It’s a long interview but if you have the time/inclination it’s well worth a listen…

I think that I also linked to, in another thread on here somewhere, another recent interview that Delingpole did with Eva Bartlett (who has now fled Canada and is living in Russia). It’s also worth a listen - first 30 minutes are Middle East stuff, last 30 minutes are covid stuff.

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A few years ago I read somewhere that the old left/right paradigm would recede and in it’s place, a new one would emerge; authoritarian/libertarian. Quite prescient really and probably why these couplings now come together as well as they do.
It would be interesting to see how L. Boaters and 5 Filterers identify themselves and/or each other and to what extent Covid played a part in the breakaway; that is, is the L B more authoritarian (as I expect) and 5F more libertarian?

Chomsky’s last reply is remarkably vacuous, not just for a ‘great thinker’ but, indeed, for anyone. (Any sixth-form politics student, say, who argued with such vacuity would be advised to drop the subject.)

Here’s one possible way to make sense of his giving a reply which is so stupid and devoid of substance …

He wants the dialogue to end, but he also wants to be the one who speaks the last word. So his thinking could be, ‘If I write something that contains nothing to reply to, then this Rippon guy won’t reply again.’

If so, his thinking is correct (for a change). Apart from providing nothing to reply to, I think it’s clear that he has already been comprehensively skewered, so that’s another reason why another reply from me would pointless.

Rippon :slight_smile:

Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 5:59 PM
From: "Chomsky,
To: "rippon
Subject: Re: [EXT]‘red traffic lights and covid jabs’

False as usual. The reason is the evidence, which I’ve reviewed for you. It is so overwhelming that I see no reason not to agree with 100% of health officials throughout the world and the vast majority of the medical profession.

From: rippon
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 10:17 AM
To: Chomsky,
Subject: Re: [EXT]‘red traffic lights and covid jabs’

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The basis of your counter-argument is that there is uniformity of opinion across officialdom.

That’s a remarkable reply. You have advanced exactly the argument you spent decades damning.

Your argument - about mainstream media - was that they inferred validity in what they were saying because all their colleagues, even from other parts the political spectrum, were saying the same. For example, there was uniformity of opinion across intelligence agencies that Saddam was an imminent threat and the right course was to invade Iraq.

Now, officials (e.g. politicians) are held in particularly low regard. That is why they are not worth talking about. Indeed, in the days when your output had integrity, that was your approach: for example, when writing about Israel’s torture of the Palestinians, you would rely on the output of proper researchers on the ground rather than officials.

(Incidentally, one such researcher, Jonathan Cook, finds your effluent output regarding covid reprehensible and a betrayal of your very own history in methods of political analysis.)

Since the output from officials is irrelevant when one is seeking the truth, then the relevant statistic is not the percentage of officials that are pushing the jab campaign, but the percentage of medics and scientists doing that.

I don’t think even you would be so stupid as to assert that 100% of those reject the dissident science.

It is obvious that you believe that what you’re saying regarding covid has enormous human consequences and, since you “follow the facts closely”, you will be aware that most/all of the jab-resistance movement stems from the output of dissident scientists and medics.

As one with a scientific background, it is surprising (although perhaps increasingly less so) that you still have nothing to say about the dissident science but, instead, like the vulgar hacks who call themselves ‘journalists’, revert instead to output from officialdom as the basis for your argument.

You used to regard those hacks as beneath contempt. In adopting their mentality (in elevating the veracity of the output from officialdom), you are inviting everyone who ever had any respect for your output to regard you the same.

Here is one headline (out of many) that is pertinent:

“It is now 1 month since Norway REMOVED all restrictions (covid passports, masks, social distancing). The seven day average covid death rate is: 1. Why is no one talking about the success of Norway?”

Since you “follow the facts closely”, perhaps you can elucidate the flaw in thus inferring that masks-lockdowns-jabs might not be the right route.

Or, scientifically speaking, why is it wrong to infer from the following headline that a cheap plentiful drug might be a better strategy than a jab experiment on the human race?:

The Undeniable Ivermectin Miracle in India’s 240m Populated Largest State, Uttar Pradesh

https://newsrescue.com/the-undeniable-ivermectin-miracle-indias-240m-populated-largest-state-uttar-pradesh-horowitz/

Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 5:16 PM
From: "Chomsky,
To: "rippon
Subject: Re: [EXT]‘red traffic lights and covid jabs’

Your letter is misaddressed. Since you obviously think what you have to say has enormous human consequences, you should be informing health officials throughout the world, including those in Africa pleading for vaccines. 100% of these officials throughout the world reject your conclusions. I know of only one exception, Brazil, where the president and his associates are now facing court proceedings on charges of “crimes against humanity” for delaying vaccination, after a 1000-page report of a long Senate investigation detailing the crime.

Plainly you have a serious obligation, at least if you take what you’re saying seriously.

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Clearly unanswerable and excellent points, Rippon.

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Remarkable, Rip. You’ve argued the great NC into a ridiculous corner of his own making. Truly remarkable. 'Course, it helps to have truth and - above all - reality on your side. Bravely done. Poor old Noam. What a fall from grace! I suppose we could have predicted a debacle like this when we saw Noam’s incredible, obdurately wrong-headed takes on JFK’s killing, and on 11/9. All in all the whole thing’s very sad. But you did what needed doing.

I suppose the considered judgement of history will be that he was a great public intellectual in his prime, speaking truth in an era of torrential lies; but in his old age he lost it badly. Such a shame. [Wanted to add a sad face, but the bleedin’ emoji function’s up the bleddin’ creek again!]