Following on the RobG’s vaccine injury post, thought I’d post this for those that haven’t seen it. Have long thought that pursuing the vaccine debate along the ‘do they reduce infection/mortality rates’ was insufficient and way too convenient. Let’s suppose, for the sake of argument, that they do what the manufacturers say they do; namely, that that they all but eradicated childhood disease, plus, that those childhood diseases really are as dangerous as we are led to believe. No more childhood disease! Great, but what if it could be shown that by just about every measure, the long term health outcomes for the unvaccinated were off the scale better?
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FWIW, in my constant surfing, I keep coming across anecdotal comments thrown out in the course of related medical discussions, where people mention some family of children whose parents have avoided ALL vaccinations for them, who are palpably healthier and more vigorous than the vax-assaulted, allergy-burdened, overweight standard children of their neighbours. One who said this recently was a doctor who had followed the unvaxed children of whom he was speaking through years of development.
Another fascinating titbit that I ran across only a couple of days ago was an anecdote of several children who had manifested sudden spurts in growth and development after having acquired natural immunity to measles and other traditional childhood priming infections in the traditional way; as if - they said - these were meant by long-established evolutionary pathways to be an expected, and even needed, part of the children’s normal development process, to establish robust good health. Sorry, I didn’t keep any references. Note the contrast in this view with the pro-vax-blizzard stance, which, amongst other bad things, clearly inflicts autism damage on a horrifying percentage of the assaulted children.
It was a common custom in my childhood to give measles parties for young children, where already infected children were encouraged to mingle with others who hadn’t yet had the infection, so that it could be passed around. The assumption seemed to be very much what Dr. Zach Bush promotes today: that the micro-organisms that bring these slight discommodings of childhood ‘illnesses’ are actual highly useful - even essential - parts of sound and healthy growth in children; to be embraced as benefits rather than avoided in mortal terror, in the full hygiene-neurosis mode that afflicts so many belief-systems in people brought up with hitech-world indoctrination.
Hygiene, btw, remains a good basic idea for established life habits. Just no need to take it to that obsessed extreme where every surface is constantly dowsed with health-threatening poisons, and every childhood sniffle is cause for an emergency visit to the hospital, to get doubtful-drug ‘treatment’ with other equally iffy chemicals.
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As you might remember, Rhys, neither of my children are vaccinated. Until year ten (aged 14), neither went to school either. (They only finally went to take GCSEs.) There are quite a few non-vaccinating families within the home ed community and many within it would argue that they saw, as you say, developmental leaps after their children contracted a disease. I saw it myself. Was I looking for it? Imagining it? Maybe, Maybe not.
When you find a doctor, one open and understanding, especially when you are making an increasing amount of choices that buck the norm, it’s a massive relief. Whilst I have been literally shouted at, almost hysterically, by a doctor, I have also encountered tolerance (our G.P.) through to active support; a conventional, female doctor once asked us if our daughter (aged two at the time) had been breastfed and if so, when we stopped. Somewhat cautiously (you never know where such questions are going) we answered yes and that she still was! To our immense relief the doctor was delighted and said that she suspected as much as she could always tell from the the tone and elasticity of the flesh and skin!
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Yep! I pick that up too: let the child suckle for as long as s/he wants, never mind the age. It does indeed seem to be beneficial. Also - fwiw - it’s always reckoned by anthropologists that the widespread custom amongst gather-hunter communities of breast-feeding for several years seems to act as a natural contraceptive, enabling women to space their children at about four-year intervals, without any other intervention.
Presumably the shamans - and especially the shamankas - pick up on this harmonious management method, and teach its value within their communities… 
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Yes, that was sort of our experience. My daughter, of her own volition, stopped breastfeeding shortly after my partner became pregnant with our second child.
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Do Vaccines Make Us Healthier?
My answer to that, of course, would be no, particularly when you consider that these potions are peddled for profit.
I mentioned in another post somewhere on here how, as a young baby, I came within an inch of death.
Haven’t been to the doctor in the 40 years since then; except for a very bad work accident that ripped open my left elbow in 2005, when I was renovating a big house in rural France. That story involved the bone sticking out of my elbow, huge amounts of blood, huge amounts of vin rouge, and a trip to the local hospital that was kind of ‘you couldn’t make it up stuff’.
Covid 19, what’s that?
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I think you are preaching to the converted here on 5 F. However, getting some of my friends and even family to just listen to the evidence, is saddening for me. That said, always good to have a reminder to point the blind to. Thanks for posting.
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Maybe, but certainly wasn’t he case over on The Leaky Hulk! Comparison studies aren’t particularly common, so for me it’s always good to see one even if already on the same page.
"Italians burning their proof of vaccination passes
They refuse to comply with the creation of a two tier society, one that doesn’t protect anyone, it simply discriminates.
#NoVaccinePassports #COVID19"
Link: https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1423958763007053824
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Currently reading this, what an eye-opener!
The bastards have been scamming us for decades. Its a bit galling to find yourself having to wake up to this shite at age 72.
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Bloody right. And even worse, to remember that I had the polio, smallpox and yellow fever jabs as well and was responsible for my sons having theirs too! I deserve to be shot (but make sure I’m only shot after Kill Gates, et al)
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No Pat, no-one deserves to be shot for being swept away by propaganda. Remember the basic idea: Who can stand against the avalanche?
My age group were brought up on ideas such as the unalloyed aid-to-good-health that vaccines were alleged to be; on all the miracles they were alleged to have performed in the first half of the twentieth century (which it later began to seem were actually the result of earlier campaigns for public health, hygiene and basic-needs provision, following the example of Bismarck’s striking achievements with them in Germany).
Also we heard always of the unbreachable - and unquestionable - probity of scientists investigating reality for our greater understanding, and greater good. A pretty questionable proposition by now, but a widely-instilled and pretty universally believed idea in my earlier life. They were simply the unblemishable seraphim of our society. Demi-god-like bringers of blessing from higher realms - doctors included, natch. No editor of the BMJ of that time could have imagined editorialising that virtually all peer-reviewed papers which they saw were pretty certainly false; nobbled and bought by villainous special interest pushers. Such heresy was unthinkable then (even though the allopathic antics of earlier generations of Rockefellers were already subverting the whole course of Western medicine into for-profit illegitimacy, as could be seen by anyone who wanted to delve a little).
Who, growing up in that time, could stand against such indoctrination? It was only because I had highly unusually-dissident parents, including a mother who was a nurse and midwife, and who moved constantly in medical circles, where she got insider information which never made it to the ‘news’, that I and my sister were never vaccinated. The profession knew, even then, that even the early generations of vaccines were not an unalloyed good; nor even essential, when other wise approaches were used.
Ours was also a family where the children were taught the Stopesian realities about sex and reproduction before we were seven years old, and where nakedness at home was not a taboo behaviour, to be shrouded in purdah. A pretty atypical family.
For those not so serendipitously privileged, being swept away by the sacred memes of that era was simply inevitable. Don’t castigate yourself, Pat! The sort of ideas which visionaries like Zach Bush can now offer were simply not available then. Ecology still had a long way to climb from where it was then to its current intricate prominence; genomics, as it has blossomed in the past decade of so, simply didn’t exist at all. This was before the time of Crick and Watson, and the double-helix. 
PS: Maybe I should put myself up as an example of the superior good health that unvaxed children enjoy, as discussed in this thread: 81 now; still lean and active, though geriatrically buggered. I still cycle at least a couple of miles - with gradients! - for workout, every day. No illness, no pains beyond the usual creakiness of old bodies. Virtually a stranger to GP practices or hospitals. Bit of cardio-vascular challenge since entering the 70s, but nothing crippling. Probably due to iffy eating habits in earlier adulthood. A swallow/Summer anecdotal, of course. But it does seem to be a wider pattern. The unvaxed, especially those who went easily through all of the childhood MMR experiences, just seem to do better. As usual, I’ve been dead bloody lucky!
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Try Hawthorn tea or capsules for that Rhisiart (cardio-)…sacred to “Arianrhod” Queen of the May…
I had scarlet fever when v.young (probably one of my ship-steward brothers was a carrier), I was the only kid in the south to have SF that year, and rubella a couple of times (once really full on), both of which seem to have done my immune system some good…but was also fully vaxxed and I’m just now beginning to explore (in a “physical” way), the true effects of those vaccines…Muz is, and always was, right Rhisiart vaccination is a bad idea… #FunctionoftheAppendix
"The human appendix, a narrow pouch that projects off the cecum in the digestive system, has a notorious reputation for its tendency to become inflamed (appendicitis), often resulting in surgical removal. Although it is widely viewed as a vestigial organ with little known function, recent research suggests that the appendix may serve an important purpose. In particular, it may serve as a reservoir for beneficial gut bacteria. Several other mammal species also have an appendix, and studying how it evolved and functions in these species may shed light on this mysterious organ* in humans.
Heather F. Smith, Ph.D., Associate Professor, Midwestern University Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine, is currently studying the evolution of the appendix across mammals. Dr. Smith’s international research team gathered data on the presence or absence of the appendix and other gastrointestinal and environmental traits for 533 mammal species. They mapped the data onto a phylogeny (genetic tree) to track how the appendix has evolved through mammalian evolution, and to try to determine why some species have an appendix while others don’t.
They discovered that the appendix has evolved independently in several mammal lineages, over 30 separate times, and almost never disappears from a lineage once it has appeared. This suggests that the appendix likely serves an adaptive purpose. Looking at ecological factors, such as diet, climate, how social a species is, and where it lives, they were able to reject several previously proposed hypotheses that have attempted to link the appendix to dietary or environmental factors. Instead, they found that species with an appendix have higher average concentrations of lymphoid (immune) tissue in the cecum. This finding suggests that the appendix may play an important role as a secondary immune organ*. Lymphatic tissue can also stimulate growth of some types of beneficial gut bacteria, providing further evidence that the appendix may serve as a “safe house” for helpful gut bacteria.
They also found that animals with certain shaped ceca (tapering or spiral-shaped) were more likely to have an appendix than animals with a round or cylindrical cecum. Therefore, they concluded that the appendix isn’t evolving independently, but as part of a larger “cecoappendicular complex” including both the appendix and cecum.
Researchers collaborating with Dr. Smith on this study are William Parker, Ph.D., Department of Surgery, Duke Medical Center, Durham, North Carolina; Sanet H. Kotzé, Ph.D., Department of Biomedical Sciences, Faculty of Medicine and Health Sciences, University of Stellenbosch, Tygerberg, South Africa; and Michel Laurin, Ph.D., from the Muséum National d’Histoire Naturelle in France. Midwestern University Senior Research Associate Brent Adrian also contributed illustrations for the study." Appendix may have important function, new research suggests -- ScienceDaily
*Sing it out kiddies (those of you who still have tonsils)! Nature abhors a vacuum…shame there’s still such a vast one between the ears of many practitioners of conventional medicine. After all what is the “appendix” of a book for? Reference sweeties reference…
G
*Italics mine.
Nb. We must ask ourselves (because clearly it is a very serious issue), just how the appendix becomes dangerously inflamed!
Already on it, G. Good stuff.
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Can you direct me to any useful gen about hyssop @GKH (or anyone else)? I’m hearing good things but it’s all a bit vague.
“hyssop!” K…? Sorry, I do not know to what or whom you are referring…
I think it’s a herb. Can apparently be grown in UK so I’ll get some seeds and wait for whatever happens to happen.