something posted to a telegram group:
Hi @rippon
I wonder if these are the survival rates of those who get sick with covid, or the general population?
I imagine the covid survival rate for someone who never got it would be 100%
Yep, that is indeed the pertinent question that occurred to me too.
I presume itâs for people who get covid because otherwise there isnât anything to survive (and âSurvivalâ and âDeathâ are labelled at the bottom).
Oh, and also the title says âwith or from covidâ and, again, that only makes sense if the people being measured have covid in the first place.
Hi @rippon , fascinating numbers, I wonder if they produced such numbers before vaccines were covering half the population? If they didnât, it looks like vaccines will be stated as the reason for the incredible survival rate as opposed to natural immunity or any other cause.
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Indeed.
This is one reason why I think the debate about numbers is often a red-herring, because it is overwhelmingly the case in debates generally that you can argue any position you like and then find/contrive stats to support your case.
The pertinence of stats in this instance is this:
It is elite power who have decreed that the world must stamp on freedoms and go totalitarian and they base that decree on stats.
But the problem is that the very stats that they themselves invoke (e.g. âdeath within 28-days of +ve covid testâ) donât justify their policies (e.g. lockdowns).
So itâs not even a case of the opposition contriving their own stats to counter the fascists in power.
Stats aside:
Initially (March and even April 2020), I believed the mainstream narrative about a mass-killer disease ravaging the planet. But even then, even accepting that, my instinctual reservation was:
Is this any way for a civilised society to behave? - retreat indoors to try and hide from a virus and each other, even family, because we should now see all people as potential silent killers
I contend that everyone knows instinctively that the worldâs response is demented and depraved. But our culture, including/especially intellectual culture, is so deeply indoctrinated with reverence towards âscienceâ (which now reveals itself to be deeply unscientific, betraying its own professed principles) and âauthorityâ (e.g. politicians and politicised-scientists, who have very high status but zero credibility to anyone who is not blinded by their titles, e.g. âPrime Ministerâ, âProfessorâ) that even millions of the most âintelligentâ people can be herded like sheep into this totalitarian nightmare.
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Absolutely, itâs Blairâs Iraq war wmd all over again - now instead of facts itâs stats: âFix the Stats around the policyâ. Fear and authority saviours wrapped in white coats or flags have achieved in a year what decades of propaganda failed to do and maybe thatâs why itâs happening now?!
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Yes, you would hope thatâs the case. But apparently it isnât. Itâs simply how many people of those age groups in the entire population have died of Covid (whether they actually ever had covid or not).
At least I think so, based on a few minutes of searching for the source of that image. Looks like just another attempt to downplay the severity of the disease.
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PP
Spot on P, looking at your link the tweeter back-tweeted within an hour but still held onto the word âsurvivedâ which implies they survived something but really she means of those who didnât die from covid, some people had covid and survived it the rest of the total population didnât get it and just carried on living. To me itâs setting up the vaccine success story rather than downplaying covid deaths. I personally barely registered the red elements of the graph as I was flooded in the text with âsurvivorsâ.
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That tweeter has confused me because, after asserting that the chart is misleading, she also posts one that seems to tell the same story - without having the misleading aspect to itself:
I agree entirely on the totalitarian nightmare but for one point - here at least, in this country where ordinary folk had a dose of ordinary common sense and low bullshit tolerance, it is stunning how many have no idea this is a scamdemic, and are truly scared of catching the lurgy even though itâs virtually eradicated. All that is necessary is for âauthoritiesâ to declare that someone in quarantine has tested positive and was walking around free for two days to send the whole community into a spasm, and relishing the enforcement of three days lockdown, and mask wearing. This has just happened, two days before ANZAC day, when people round the nation go to march and celebrate past conquests. The last time it happened was one day before easter, and before that two days before Valentineâs day. Isnât this a bit odd? Itâs almost as if âauthoritiesâ are really trying to wake people up to the scam by making it so obvious, but no-one notices. The Easter cancellation in Brisbane, due to one case which finally didnât spread outside its immediate circle, was timed perfectly to force the cancellation of a big annual blues festival in Byron Bay, where a couple of months ago people were spreading the idea that âCovid is a scamâ. 16,000 people had their holiday plans ruined, and all the entertainers already desperate for work had their hopes smashed - and a day later the lock down was lifted and everything declared safe again.
And now we have vaccination totalitarianism, with vaccine passports enthusiastically welcomed, except that people are wary of AZ because one person died. In fact here no risk is acceptable from vaccination, as there is ZERO risk from Covid, even of catching it.
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Unbelievable what you write there about Australia. It must be so frustrating living in the middle of it. Here in the UK there is at least a fair amount of scepticism, especially amongst the working classes. People in social work tell me how rules and measures are routinely ignored by many clients so as to retain their mental health. And no sign of an explosion of covid illness among them!
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Certainly amongst ALL my working-class pleb friends the scepticism is rife. Almost no-one is buying it. And - as you say W - no-one is ill, none are dead, even amongst my age-group.
Just been to my regional hospital again today for another eye-injection, and - when specifically questioned - the staff say: âNo, everything normal. We seem to have been pretty well spared altogether. We have next to no covid patients.â A literal quote from one nurse. Confirmed by other staff.
Yet other hospitals have had emergency situations, at least for short periods. It would be really helpful to find whatâs really going on. Hindsight will tell, I guess. I remain profoundly sceptical that there is any genuine major health emergency; not in Britain, nor in the world.
And all the panic-news from India, which is the current propaganda terror-lash, can be accounted for by the simply hopeless level of care that the Indian state/states feel is their duty towards the millions of poor, who live highly precarious lives, at risk from any sudden novel challenge, however treatable and containable in principle.
Compare China. Different theory - and more to the point, practice - of government produces strikingly different upshots.
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