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Chris Martensen and Pierre Kory in conversation

Note how, at one point, both of them include themselves in that growing band of competent professionals of genuine intellectual weight who were at first - in their own words - over-trusting in their estimate of what was really going on, but who have transited to - again their own word - much greater cynicism as the delved and watched; though in both Chris and Pierre’s cases I’d say that there’s still just that last smidgeon of naivety to be expunged about the depths of infamy to which humans can sink, when inducements happen to be right. Still, well worth listening to them. They agree, for example, that Uttar Pradesh confirms that the ‘covid pandemic’, such as it is, has now been defeated completely there, and it stands as a pathfinder to the whole world for ending this crisis. This link, btw, harvested from the transient headsups in Cremola: