I know, I know, vaccines are not particularly popular on this board for a number of good reasons.
But if China is able to throw a spoke into the plans of Western big-pharma by supplying free shots of a working vaccine not based on untested tech, then I think that’s a good idea.
Well, one good outcome is that it will put a big hole in the BPh gangsters’ money gouging. That has to be a plus. I doubt, also, whether the hidden agendas of the Gatesoids will make much progress in countries looking to China for help. How ‘s&e’ they are we shall have to wait and see. But I’d trust China more than the Anglozionist empire not to cut corners so much on those issues.
I still think, though, that the article has bought in - wrongly - to the idea that we’re having a massive pandemic. Everywhere you look, even people of goodwill seem to have swallowed that idea - and the hopelessly-dodgy statistics that have been cooked to support it.
Evening RG. I’m curious about this line. There’s absolutely zero doubt in my mind that hundreds of thousands of people have died this year, over and above the baseline of what would have been expected. I’ve zero doubt that millions of people got seriously ill this year with covid all around the world.
That feels like a pandemic to me…
I also have no doubt that the situation didn’t need to be that bad - good treatments exist and were ignored for various reasons.
But - we still had a serious pandemic this year. And it’s not over yet. Excess mortality figures are still significantly higher than what we would expect for this time of year.
Winter is only just starting. We have 3 more months… My prediction is that the excess mortality figures for this winter will be bad.
Well, your lack of doubt is curious, P. I doubt all those things. I don’t believe them. And as you can see, there are plenty of medical professionals and professional epidemiologists who don’t believe them either. Time will tell, I guess.
Curiously, just about the only thing that I feel confident in believing solidly is Dr. dan at the Leaky. His testimony about what he went through, together with something like ten years of interacting with him at MLMB and the Leaky, makes me confident that he is what he seems, and that he’s straight; and that his testimony about his dreadful illness is authentic. There’s not much else about which I’m so confident. dan’s testimony makes it clear that this illness, whatever it is, is a swine. That’s about all I think I know for relatively certain. All the rest strikes me as unmistakably contentious. Not Proven, as Scots law puts it. Time will tell (though whether I’ll be granted enough personally to be around - as RhG, anyway - when the truth is finally widely agreed is another matter…) 
So countries all over Europe, North and South America are reporting high death tolls, overflowing ICUs etc. Independent companies like the Zoe health app that I’ve mentioned before corroborate those numbers. Health professionals like Dan and Pierre Kory (the ivermectin doc) corroborate those numbers. ICU stats are off the charts. Hospitals and health centers are reporting massive levels of staff infections, deaths and PTSD.
I personally know of a good handful of people who’ve died from Covid. I know a bunch of people who had it, including (recently) family members.
Africa by and large, seems to have avoided the disease. And Asian countries that actually took the effort to protect their populations have also mainly avoided high death tolls.
I’m not sure what there is to doubt in these reports. The patterns are consistent and unsurprising to me. I have not seen this in my lifetime… Have you?
Excess death numbers reported by institutions like Euromomo, who Ivor Cummins uses, show excess deaths off the scale and rising again.
At some point you have to say that either literally everyone is lying, and the footage of overflowing ICUs, dead health care workers, frontline medical reporting etc is a global fake - white helmets style - operation, or you have to admit that hundreds of thousands (over a million actually) people have died this year from the pandemic.
If you really think people are lying and there is a white helmets style operation under way around the globe, then I’d like to see actual hard evidence of that. Thousands of fake death certs for example. A news crew that filmed an ICU scene coming out and saying they staged it. Something like that.
I’ve not seen any evidence suggesting that people are not dying. I’ve seen loads of evidence showing that people really are dying…
If there is evidence of fraud, then I’m open to it, but so far it all looks pretty real to me…
I don’t know what the answer to all those questions are, P. I just don’t believe it’s as hellish, as much of a grand global emergency, as we’re all being told. Something feels wrong with that picture. I can only wait and see.
BTW, I don’t doubt that people have died of it. It’s clearly a nasty disease. If you’re certain that your friends/acquaintances died of it, I can believe that. dan admitted eventually that he had feared he might die, and as I said, his testimony is one of the few points of confidence that I believe I can trust. I just don’t believe all the hype we’re getting. Something smells wrong.
From the outset, I’ve already staked my own life - what’s left of it - on this guesstimate. I haven’t taken any precautions at all this year, nor do I intend to start; unless you count my prophylactic use of C, and my big-dose use of it when I had what seems to me to have been an encounter with covid. Other than that, I’ve carried on as usual. And, if I still had any minors directly under my care, I’d take the same course with them, because I’m sufficiently confident that it’s not like we’re being told, and we can shield ourselves effectively without - obviously untrustworthy - vaccines or draconian ‘emergency measures’.
I think we’re both of the same mind when it comes to being confident that there are already known, reliable prophylactics/cures readily and cheaply to hand, which mean that there’s no need to fear the disease, so long as we inform ourselves of the record of these treatments, and make sure we have the right stuff immediately to hand; taking your pick from about half a dozen apparently effective choices so far reported by active clinicians treating sick patients successfully. That and taking care of right diet and lifestyle (together with the ever-crucial right mindset, of course… ) to ensure a robust immune system to begin with; which is, I think, the only ultimate defence/cure. The worldwide panic doesn’t make sense.
Yes, I think we both agree on probably most things to do with this issue. I definitely think effective treatments are being suppressed in order to favour a more scary story and the need for vaccines. I definitely do think there are working solutions that folks can do at home if they’re sufficiently clued in. I think you’re a great example of this and I have no doubt that your regime keeps you safe. If our leaders were actually trying to protect us, b they would be emphasising these steps at every chance they got. Instead silence…
The same can be said of emergency measures. I’m not convinced about the science for masks or lockdowns. I definitely feel that this conversation needs to be urgently re-examined more honestly. I’m open to evidence either way on these and similar subjects.
Basically the only thing I’m pretty sure about is that a lot of people have died unnecessarily. People who didn’t look after their own health issues. People who were already vulnerable. People who had no choice but to to work in unsafe conditions etc.
I think a lot of that could have been avoided, but at some point we are following a script that benefits a few GICs, and it suits them to keep us scared and guessing…
BTW, this from Ivor, three days ago, seems relevant. Again, I’ve no idea how reliable his sources are, but - from the first - his assessment of the pathogen’s course has felt persuasive to me. How he describes it has seemed to me all along to be in good sync with the way the natural world really works. It makes sense. And again, he’s laid back about the current Winter season upswing; endemic now, rather than epidemic, he reckons. Though we’ll still have to wait and see about that.
If I survive, I’ll be interested to see just what the hindsight estimate of the overall effect of this nasty has been, in a year or two’s time. It’s interesting to see that Ivor seems to think we were all wrong to follow China’s response. “Rabbit’s-foot science”, he calls it! Again, no idea what to believe about that. But I hear him, because he seems to be on the ball:
Cheers RG. I’ll have a watch. IC is always worth some serious consideration
Interesting video, RG. His main assertion is that lockdowns don’t cause the R number to drop, and in fact it was coming down before the lockdowns started. I would need to check his sources for that, but I’m willing to believe he may be right. The obvious question then, that I don’t think he answers, is if not lockdowns what are the real causes for transmission to drop? He seems to be suggesting it’s the weather and herd immunity. Maybe. All I know is that the virus doesn’t spread on its own, people spread it to each other. If we don’t encourage people to distance, what would cause the virus to stop spreading? If we took no steps to stop the spread it seems very unlikely to me that the virus would just stop spreading before it infected everyone it could. At that point comparisons with influenza are not very helpful - we know this virus is 3-10x more deadly and 2-5x more contagious.
On the subject of China, all I would say is that China has completely eradicated the virus and is living a completely normal life. They did that with a hundred times less deaths than Europe did, despite 5x the population. We could have done the same, but we preferred instead to let hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people die. Additionally they have developed a vaccine which they are offering for free to any country that needs it. I say the less we criticise China’s response the better…
Well, you may believe that you ‘know’ that, P. All I’m willing to concede is that it may be so, but I really don’t know for sure. And I doubt it, actually. Virtually from the first, I’ve regarded covid as no big deal, to be treated like any other passing pathogen. And so far, that’s paid off. I don’t actually doubt how rotten it is (dan’s testimony), but I don’t buy its supposed fearsome deadliness or contagiousness either. And if it’s highly contagious, but not abnormally deadly, well, that’s good for acquiring natural herd immunity, innit? Is the high-90s percentage survival rate for the under-70s correct? I don’t know, but that assertion is getting a lot of airing lately. So - protect the old, but let the rest live normally; what Sweden should have done, except for its - allegedly - bad situation regarding care homes; most of its deaths - allegedly - having happened there.
My key conviction is that, at this point, I simply wouldn’t know where to go for 100% reliable confirmation or rebuttal. See my adjacent post this AM on George Carlin’s approach, for my pragmatic stance until some fairly reliable-seeming information begins to crystalise - presumably a while after the whole panic has died away.
I quite agree that Ivor’s scorning of the Chinese approach is mystifying. I still don’t really understand what he means there. They appear to have done pretty well, but still: what have we got to go on, in the way of cast-iron information about that? The Western lamestream propaganda flood? The Chinese official propaganda response? Er -
We in the West have a chronic lack of understanding and information about China. I remain open-minded about that - as indeed about the whole pandemic thing. It may be so, but I doubt it…
Hi Rhis. No one has 100% certainty about anything. But we don’t need 100% certainty to live and make policy… There have been dozens of studies across the world on the fatality and the infectivity of covid. That’s enough to get ballpark estimates. Those are what I quoted. The chances are high that the true numbers are within those estimates. That’s good enough for me.
You say:
To which I reply:
This ain’t the flu. It’s a hell of a lot worse. It didn’t have to be so bad - there are treatments and even cures. But for one reason or another our governments have decided to ignore those treatments, so in effect it really is that bad.