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Acclaimed interview of Bret Weinstein

What happened with covid, what’s happening now and what will happen?

This interview given by Weinstein to Tucker Carlson is acclaimed for its exceptional clarity.
Rightly so, IMO. And Carlson does a good job, mainly making light interjections.

For me, this is as good an exposition of the big picture as you will see.

You can have video (an hour) or transcript (maybe a 20m read).

Video of interview: https://twitter.com/i/status/1743405833667371329
Jeffrey Tucker commentary, followed by Transcript:
Reflections on the Bret Weinstein Interview ⋆ Brownstone Institute



It’s a long interview and definitely worth the time. There is one short section in the middle where Weinstein talks about the WHO Scamdemic treaty. Worth listening just for that if nothing else. Thanks for posting.

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Who’s doing all this acclaiming? Anyone apart from Jeffrey Tucker of the Brownstone Institute?

We used to rate him in his AIER days, before we really wised up to stuff. Now he’s pushing virus stories along with the guy who introduced us to the fraud Malone and limited hangout Kirsch. . .

Anti-vaccines, great! Anti-WHO scams, great! Believing in, and propagating, the underlying enabling narrative of ‘germ’ theory, oh dear!

Enough of celebrity-celebrating celebrators anyway. We’re happy to acclaim Miri Finch:


The rave reviews and responses led to three million views in a day.
It’s what they are against that matters.
Just gotta try to stay negative about it :slightly_smiling_face:

Another superbly succinct account of the state of censorship

Dubbed the Censorship Industrial Complex - as that’s about the size of it, and burgeoning.
Best 10 minutes you’ll ever spend (almost :laughing:).

And neutral - not mentioning viruses or the non-existence of them :slightly_smiling_face:

Most of the feedback I saw about the Weinstein-Carlson love-in was pretty dismissive but you never know, they might ‘turn’ a few people. And a few of those might dig deeper. Personally I’m way too preoccupied with Joey Barton’s tweets and since the covid circus was really all about mind-control beta testing, rather than germs, vaccines, etc, forgive me for not following much of it any more.

As for Miri, yeah, bless her, she still can’t write. I hold no candle for Derek Draper, a slightly less vicious Alastair Campbell essentially, but she recently suggested that he was not a real person in the first place. Or if she wasn’t suggesting that then she really could do with posting half as often and actually editing the stuff she puts out.

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Indeed. But about that ‘any more’ Weinstein says

" I don’t want to be thinking about COVID anymore either. But what I find is that every time I look away and move on to other topics, things move just out of our sightline and these things couldn’t possibly be more important. So I’m going to try to explain where we are and how we got here and what the implications are in the present that people are largely not noticing."

And he does. As you say covid was part of a process but its ongoing. In the US kids are getting the shots; here some kids are still getting them.

One of many telling observations of Weinstein’s was about the trillion-dollar mrna gene therapy platform, and the powers are looking for a rematch with the opposition constrained. That’s what has been “moving while we look away”.
By May the WHO will have been given sweeping, seemingly binding powers to force mrna gene therapy on us.
The Online harms bill will give the UK govt powers to censor internet platforms, that would trash the US constitution.

Carlson’s enemies among the dems are legion, but Weinstein seems on the ball in this interview - especially for those wanting to look away!


12/1/24 The Government’s Plan To Criminalize Your Thoughts! with Whitney Webb

Cremola latest.
Video is Jimmy Dore with Whitney Webb.
pdf link:


Story at-a-glance

  • Documents received by investigative journalists Michael Shellenberger, Alex Gutentag and Matt Taibbi from an anonymous but “highly credible” whistleblower reveals new details on how the U.S. censorship-industrial complex — a network of more than 100 government agencies, private firms, academia and nonprofits — seeks to police and criminalize “wrong-think”
  • The documents describe how the modern digital censorship programs were created, and the various roles of the military, U.S. intelligence agencies, civil society organizations and commercial media
  • They also describe the methods and techniques used, such as the creation and use of sock puppet accounts to spy on and steer online discussions and propagate desired narratives, and the discrediting of dissenters “as a necessary prerequisite of demanding censorship against them”
  • The documents show that the weaponization of the financial sector originated with the Cyber Threat Intelligence League (CTIL), which expressly sought to get banks to “cut off financial services to individuals who organize rallies or events”
  • The CTIL files also show there was a clear intent to circumvent the First Amendment by outsourcing censorship to the private and nongovernmental sector. According to the whistleblower, “The ethos was that if we get away with it, it’s legal”

While the weight of propaganda appears to have eased up a little in recent months, evidence shows there’s much more to come.

Documents received by investigative journalists Michael Shellenberger, Alex Gutentag and Matt Taibbi from an anonymous but “highly credible” whistleblower reveals new details on how the U.S. censorship-industrial complex — a network of more than 100 government agencies, private firms, academia and nonprofits — polices and criminalizes “wrong-think.”1

Explosive Revelations

The new cache of documents, referred to as the “CTIL files,” which refers to the Cyber Threat Intelligence League, were released by the three journalists in late November 2023.

“A whistleblower has come forward with an explosive new trove of documents, rivaling or exceeding the Twitter Files and Facebook Files in scale and importance,” the trio wrote on their Substack, “Public.”2

“They describe the activities of an ‘anti-disinformation’ group called the Cyber Threat Intelligence League, or CTIL, that officially began as the volunteer project of data scientists and defense and intelligence veterans but whose tactics over time appear to have been absorbed into multiple official projects, including those of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

The CTI League documents offer the missing link answers to key questions not addressed in the Twitter Files and Facebook Files. Combined, they offer a comprehensive picture of the birth of the ‘anti-disinformation’ sector, or what we have called the Censorship Industrial Complex.”

The documents describe how the modern digital censorship programs were created, and the various roles of the military, U.S. intelligence agencies, civil society organizations and commercial media.

They also describe the methods and techniques used, such as the creation and use of sock puppet accounts to spy on and steer online discussions and propagate desired narratives, the discrediting of dissenters, and the intentional weaponization of the financial industry against the same.

According to the whistleblower, CTIL was also involved in the creation of a counter-disinformation project to “prevent a repeat of 2016,” a reference to Brexit and Donald Trump’s surprise election win — two situations in which the democratic processes actually won out.

As noted by Jimmy Dore in the video above, this was not about preventing the circulation of false information. It was to ensure that no political outsider will ever be able to get into the Oval Office again. The instruction to prevent a repeat of 2016 was a direct call to undermine, if not eliminate, the process of free and fair elections.

Importantly, the documents admit that censorship efforts against Americans must be done by partners in the private sector, because the government doesn’t have the “legal authority” to do so.


The new cache of documents and videos reveal that 2019 was a pivotal year for the censorship-industrial complex. According to Public,3 that’s when “U.S. and U.K. military and intelligence contractors led by a former U.K. defense researcher, Sara-Jayne ‘SJ’ Terp, developed the sweeping censorship framework.”

These contractors became co-leaders of the CTIL, the original founders of which included a former Israeli intelligence official, Ohad Zaidenberg, Microsoft security manager Nate Warfield, Chris Mills, another Microsoft security officer, and Marc Rogers, the head of security operations for the hackers convention, DEF CON.

According to media articles,4 these highly skilled and in-demand professionals made the altruistic decision to volunteer their services to help billion-dollar hospitals with their cybersecurity, free of charge, no strings attached. It wasn’t a credible cover story then, and it sure hasn’t aged any better.

Within one month of the CTIL’s founding in March 2020, this supposedly all-volunteer group had grown to 1,400 “by invitation only” members in 76 countries and officially partnered with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Information Security Agency (CISA). As reported by Public:5

“The CTIL framework and the public-private model are the seeds of what both the US and UK would put into place in 2020 and 2021, including masking censorship within cybersecurity institutions and counter-disinformation agendas; a heavy focus on stopping disfavored narratives, not just wrong facts; and pressuring social media platforms to take down information or take other actions to prevent content from going viral.”

Parallel Censorship Agendas

In the spring of 2020, CISA also created the Election Integrity Partnership (EIP) — a consortium made up by the Stanford Internet Observatory (SIO), the University of Washington’s Center for an Informed Public, the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, and Graphika (a social media analytics company) — and outsourced what would otherwise be illegal and unconstitutional censorship to it.

During the 2020 election cycle, the EIP and CISA worked with the State Department’s Global Engagement Center (GEC) and the DHS-backed Elections Infrastructure Information Sharing and Analysis Center (EI-ISAC) to influence and police political discussions online. The EIP coordinated the take-down of undesirable content using a real-time chat app that the DHS, EIP and social media companies all share.6

At the same time, the CTIL was tracking and reporting anti-lockdown views on social media. A “law enforcement” channel was created specifically to spy on and track social media users who posted anti-lockdown hashtags. CTIL even kept a spreadsheet with details from their Twitter bios.

According to Public, the CTIL also “engaged in offensive operations to influence public opinion, discussing ways to promote ‘counter-messaging,’ co-opt hashtags, dilute disfavored messaging, create sock puppet accounts, and infiltrate private invite-only groups.” In February 2021, the EIP was rebranded as the Virality Project, at which point their focus of censorship shifted from elections to COVID-related matters.

Government Infiltration and Take-Over

While one CTIL member, Bonnie Smalley, replied to a query by Public saying the CTIL “had nothing to do with the government,” the evidence shows otherwise. At least a dozen of government employees who worked with the DHS, FBI and CISA were also active members of CTIL.

According to the whistleblower, the CTIL’s goal “was to become part of the federal government.” Terp’s plan was to set up “MisinfoSec communities” that would include the federal sector, and the documents show this aim was achieved. In April 2020, Chris Krebs, then-director of CISA, also publicly announced the agency’s partnership with CTIL.

The documents show the weaponization of the financial sector originated with the CTIL, which expressly sought to get banks to ‘cut off financial services to individuals who organize rallies or events.’

Public continues:7

“The documents also show that Terp and her colleagues, through a group called MisinfoSec Working Group, which included [Stanford Internet Observatory research manager Renee] DiResta, created a censorship, influence, and anti-disinformation strategy called Adversarial Misinformation and Influence Tactics and Techniques (AMITT).

They wrote AMITT by adapting a cybersecurity framework developed by MITRE … Terp later used AMITT to develop the DISARM framework, which the World Health Organization then employed in ‘countering anti-vaccination campaigns across Europe.’

A key component of Terp’s work through CTIL, MisinfoSec, and AMITT was to insert the concept of ‘cognitive security’ into the fields of cybersecurity and information security …

The ambitions of the 2020 pioneers of the Censorship Industrial Complex went far beyond simply urging Twitter to slap a warning label on Tweets, or to put individuals on blacklists.

The AMITT framework calls for discrediting individuals as a necessary prerequisite of demanding censorship against them. It calls for training influencers to spread messages. And it calls for trying to get banks to cut off financial services to individuals who organize rallies or events.”

Weaponization of Finance Sector Originated With CTIL

So, now we know where the weaponization of the financial sector came from. It originated with the CTIL, which expressly sought to get banks to “cut off financial services to individuals who organize rallies or events.”

Clearly, as evidenced by my own case and many others, banks and online payment processors have also been enticed into cutting services for people who simply expressed opposing views. It isn’t just rally organizers that are being targeted.

Under the Cover of Altruism

While CTIL officials have repeatedly stressed that the organization was founded on purely altruistic principles, the clear goal of its leaders was to “build support for censorship among national security and cybersecurity institutions,” Public writes, and they built that support by promoting Terp’s idea of “cognitive security.”

The choice of the term “cognitive security” takes on a rather sinister flavor in light of Dr. Michael Nehls’ findings that there’s been what appears to be an intentional effort to destroy the autobiographical memory function in the brains of the public over the past four years, thereby facilitating mass indoctrination and inhibiting personal will and critical thinking.

He presents his thesis in the book “The Indoctrinated Brain: How to Successfully Fend Off the Global Attack on Your Mental Freedom,”8 published in mid-December 2023.

The whistleblower’s material clearly reveal that sophisticated military tactics were turned on the American public, powerful psychological tools — the very tools Nehls says can literally alter biological brain function.

Public cites a MisinfoSec report in which “The authors called for placing censorship efforts inside of ‘cybersecurity’ even while acknowledging that ‘misinformation security’ is utterly different from cybersecurity. They wrote that the third pillar of ‘The information environment’ after physical and cybersecurity should be ‘The Cognitive Dimension.’”

Indeed, your mind — your cognition, your very ability to think independently — is the battlefield of today’s war, as Nehls proposes in his book. The frightening part is that the tools employed actually have the power to reprogram who you are.

We are indeed “hackable animals,” as proposed by Yuval Noah Harari, and the censorship-industrial complex has been hacking into the very brain structure of billions of people for the last four years already. Gutentag even touches on this in a December 3, 2023, article:9

“What was once considered a ‘conspiracy theory’ that military and intelligence forces were manipulating public opinion through inorganic interventions, has now been confirmed.

Our study of the Censorship Industrial Complex has exposed a far-reaching plan to subvert the democratic process and engage in activities that have a basis in military techniques and which are tantamount to attempts at thought or mind control.”

‘It’s Legal if We Can Get Away With It’

The CTIL files also show there was a clear intent to circumvent the First Amendment by outsourcing censorship to the private and nongovernmental sector. According to the whistleblower:10

“The ethos was that if we get away with it, it’s legal, and there were no First Amendment concerns because we have a ‘public-private partnership’ — that’s the word they used to disguise those concerns. ‘Private people can do things public servants can’t do, and public servants can provide the leadership and coordination.’”

Good News, Bad News

The good news is that more and more information is coming out about the U.S. government’s illegal outsourcing of censorship, and with it, legal challenges that throw up blocks against this circumvention of the Constitution.

We’ve also had other victories. In August 2022, the DHS was forced to terminate the Disinformation Governance Board due to public backlash. CISA has also deleted information about domestic censorship work from its website, and has dismantled its Misinformation, Disinformation, and Malinformation (MDM) subcommittee.

The Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government is also continuing its search for truth, and will (hopefully) use whatever power at its disposal to rein in the abuse. Its most recent report, “The Weaponization of ‘Disinformation’ Pseudo-Experts and Bureaucrats: How the Federal Government Partnered with Universities to Censor Americans’ Political Speech”11 was published November 6, 2023.

Unfortunately, we also have a global effort underway to not only normalize but also legalize this kind of third-party censorship. In an August 1, 2023, video (below), Mike Benz12 explained this strategy.

The “Middleware” Plan To Restructure The Censorship Industry

  1. Middleware = ‘censorship as a service’ orgs
  2. Morphing from top-down to middle-out
  3. Regs + middleware = disinfo compliance market pic.twitter.com/lDPqH72HrD

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) August 1, 2023

Video Link (Twitter, https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1686397475446538242?s=20)

In short, they’re trying to restructure the censorship industry “away from a top-down government-driven model” to a “competitive middleware model” where “content curation” (read censorship) is simply outsourced to third-party organizations.

This way, a “legal” disinformation compliance market is created while government can claim it has nothing to do with the control of information. Basically, what we’re looking at is the emergence of organized corporate censorship.

There’s no clear solution to this threat, other than to continue pushing back against any and all efforts to legalize, standardize and normalize censorship. To vocally object, to refuse using middleware like NewsGuard, and to boycott any company or organization that uses middleware or engages in censorship of any kind.

Sources and References

1, 10 The Defender November 29, 2023

2, 3, 5, 7 Public Substack November 28, 2023

4 CSO April 23, 2020

6 Twitter Lee Fang October 31, 2022

8 Amazon The Indoctrinated Brain: How to Successfully Fend Off the Global Attack on Your Mental Freedom by Michael Nehls

9 Public Substack December 4, 2023

11 The Weaponization of ”Disinformation” Pseudo-Experts and Bureaucrats, Interim Staff Report, November 6, 2023

12 Twitter Mike Benz August 1, 2023

PDF: https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2024/January/PDF/ctil-files-documents-pdf.pdf

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Somewhere in among past threads I linked some of the AMITT training materials. They’re out in the open, easily found. And deeply sinister.

At the moment the anti-war and pro-Palestine movements, which probably overlap more or less completely, are winning the arguments quite easily, because the goto antisemitism smear has lost its effect. I can’t see any of this reflected in mainstream news and chitchat though. And it has very little effect on actual policy for all the talk of White House exasperation with Satanyahoo etc. in other words real world actions, in all their brutality, carry on. That’s the real message as @RobG was telling us.

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Here’s another take on this process:


Why Burn Books When You Can Bury Them? The White House Pressured Amazon To Target Dissenting Books

As zero hedge points out the Biden administration’s 2021 request to Amazon ‘unpromote’ an anti-vaccine book was not met by indignant protest from Amazon, proudly defending the very idea of books.


" Amazon in turn appears to ask only how high the Biden White House wants it to jump on censorship: “[i]s the [Biden] Admin asking us to remove books, or are they more concerned about search results/order (or both)?”

After the meeting, Amazon confirmed in an email that it was actively doing what the government demanded in suppressing sales by not promoting disfavored books:

“As a reminder, we did enable Do Not Promote for anti-vax books whose primary purpose is to persuade readers vaccines are unsafe or ineffective on 3/9, and will review additional handling options for these books with you.”

This effort notably parallels demands from Democratic leaders who have called for enlightened algorithms to frame what citizens access on the internet. In 2021, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) objected that people were not listening to the informed views of herself and leading experts. Instead, they were reading views of skeptics by searching Amazon and finding books by “prominent spreaders of misinformation.”

Warren blamed Amazon for failing to limit searches or choices: "

Now the issue may have cleared. Now if you go into Amazon and search for vaccines, the delicately titled 2019 book that sparked the problem - Vernon Coleman’s “Anyone Who Tells You Vaccines Are Safe and Effective is Lying” - is still top, and there is no link to any CDC lies.

Or maybe the WH just get passed the email address or bank details of people who buy the books :frowning:


so… It’s all about interpretation and intent. Muffling the media in Moscow: totalitarianism. Censoring critics in China: authoritarian dictatorship. Those exact same things in Germany, Ottawa, London, New York: defending our democracy.

As for the definitions being laboured over this reminds me of the (apocryphal?) judge who disdained to define obscenity because “I know it when I see it”.

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I can add that any books obtained from the back of the lorry will and have disappeared from my Amazon books stash (read.amazon.co.uk) and from Google books. I now redownload to a device and copy them to a Kobo, which means they are not stored in the cloud. I’m gradually backing up to an external hard disk drive and where I have a paper copy selling that for pennies or donating to charity shop.

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Yeah also I don’t want to commit forever to external utilities, I want everything useful to be within my oily grasp. Might need to have it to hand in my dotage.

I’ve hardly bought from Amazon since I became motivated to look for other sources.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/, awesomebooks.com/.

Will if I have to…

I’m being responsible - storing books in the cloud will accelerate climate change :stuck_out_tongue:

My earlier post was a bit sloppy: I said “any books obtained from the back of the lorry” will dematerialise from Amazon/Google. I should have been more specific: it’s not necessarily all such books, but sensitive ones. Norman Finkelstein’s books on Gaza are a recent example. As for dead tree versions, yes, there are still bargains out there. Don’t much use abebooks anymore (did you know amazon owns them?) but I got a copy of ‘Dark Moon’ (extensive debunking of the official Apollo narratives) for about eight quid from awesome books.

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So was mine…Yeah I’ve seen plenty of google drive links replaced with a You are Not Welcome message. Still got the web archive but it won’t be everlasting.
I didn’t know about Abe and Amazon, so much for my dreamland.

Being old school I read real books and don’t have a kindle. Frequently I try to buy books (The Real Anthony Fauci is a good example) and they either are ‘not available’ or the price is so outrageous that I don’t bother.

Like @KarenEliot I’ve more or less given up on Abe Books but will now look up awesome books. Thansk for the pointer.

It’s a worrying development; with the control that’s possible (and likely in the future) of the electronic version it’s a bookburners dream. And there will be no evidence of a crime, as there will always be plenty of ‘books’.

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We’ve used News from Nowhere in Liverpool but they are a bit old fashioned (right-on lezzers. Oops!) and don’t touch oo-er stuff like Alison Weir’s brilliant (but flawed) Against Our Better Judgement which you can get from her If Americans Knew site. Mind you, they do Douglas Reed, ‘Controversy of Zion’ etc. (probably haven’t read him!).

We’ve had good stuff lately from Lulu and from MEMO publishers:


If link don’t work just swipe the url. (Particularly recommend ‘Our Vision for Liberation’)

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Hi folks, I just enjoyed a Sam Bailey video looking at the importance of outing virology and facing up to people like Kirsh and recently Ivor Cummins:

to my mind she makes perfect sense - in fact if they don’t speak the truth as they see, it whilst they can, the Corporate/Fascist censor may soon blacklist them off the air completely!