This is a disturbing development for sure. I wonder what this means for countries like Sweden, that simply pushed ahead with the policy of getting as many of their citizens infected as quickly as possible.
Not looking too good…
This is what’s afflicted Dr. dan at TLN, clearly. What he described recently of his long struggle fits it pretty exactly, neurological problems and all. Bloody hell! What a catastrophe for the poor bastards!
So - the full picture continues to grow from the jigsaw pieces. It begins to seem that it’s something more than just a slightly worse than usual flu…
In what I take to have been my own brush with covid, I’ve been - as usual - dead lucky: three days of mild discomfort, virus zapped to buggery by a roaring immune system fuelled and armed by massive daily doses of vitamin C: 30 grams (sic!) of sodium ascorbate crystalline powder each day, in plenty of water, stirred and sipped round the clock every quarter of an hour. Gone in three days, slight after-effect rumblings for another day or so, still getting plenty of C, then finally back on my regular 2-3 grams of slow-release C pills per day.
Sorry to keep going on about C, but it’s vital information, with which people can fore-arm and prophylaxise themselves effectively, it seems. I have a quarter century record of zero bouts of respiratory illnesses, since I began following this protocol, though earlier in life, before I began the regimen, I got colds and flu now and then.
I sympathise with these poor devils - especially those in the commercialised health-service disaster of the US even more - because I’ve had chronic fatigue syndrome since I was hospitalised in 2016 with a stroke. It’s a bastard; and a frequent sequel to strokes, apparently.
In the continuing effort to get a complete picture of this illness, this testimony from the long-haulers is a crucial piece. It really can’t be brushed away. Perhaps covid really is novel, after all. Thanks for the headsup, P! PS: This is another reason to insist vigorously that the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin/zinc cocktail gets into wide, routine use ASAP, both as treatment (as early as possible) and as prophylaxis. Another obviously well-proven-in-practice helper, to try to fend off these awful long-term disablements. The poor sods…
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Yes, keeping up our immune system by a combination of known methods is crucial. Going forward this has to be one of the key takeaways from this crisis. Unfortunately a healthy lifestyle and immune system is often just not compatible with the way our societies are structured, with the poorest and least well off having the fewest options. Possibly one reason why the mainstream focus is not on that subject… Too many systemic changes required to the system!
The effect of the 5-filters on the current covid public health emergency is off the charts - no matter the direction of argument it seems.
The latest example of this is the question of how is Sweden coping with long-haulers? Ok, we all know the argument that they are trying to reach herd immunity by exposing their population to this virus, and that they criminally failed in their protection of the elderly and vulnerable (although not as badly as the UK failed!).
But death or herd immunity are not the only outcomes. What has Sweden been doing to deal with preventing chronic illness in those who have “recovered”? This looks like a very nasty virus with plenty of potentially very bad long term effects. I’m guessing little to none of that was known by the Swedish health authorities when they decided to pursue their approach of taking it on the chin… That is already enough of a reason for me to be unimpressed with their approach. They gambled with the health and the lives of their citizens before even the most basic facts about this illness were understood. I hope, for their sake, that it pays off!
However. I’m pretty sure that the Swedes aren’t using high dose vit C, HCQ or other things that seem to be effective in combatting this virus (could be wrong about that, of course).
If that’s the case then a crucial dimension to the ongoing debate “Sweden: hero or villain?” is missing. As you point out Rhis We can’t measure the actual cost until we know the full story - how many people have been intentionally crippled through exposure to a poorly understood virus…
I don’t think that will be happy reading…
I’m making a mistake here because I haven’t read the article… but I see the source and draw a rapid conclusion that it’s what I call a 1%er. That is that the focus is here on the exception that proves the rule. Because CV19 is for the vast majority of people not actually as bad as the flu, and highly unlikely to be deadly, “they” have to do something to make us ordinary people frightened of getting it and thereby becoming immune, so feeding stories about unusual and lasting consequences into social media, where they are picked up by everybody, works a treat. It’s the same as with the denigration of HCQ+ treatment, which reduces the chances of catching the infection as a prophylactic as well as reducing the severity, and so allows people to “safely catch” it and get through it. This is a mortal threat to the vaccine industry and the whole damn complex of social control and destruction that we seem to be doomed to, specially in countries where we are unable to catch the virus because there is so little and we’re not allowed to go anywhere near the infected zones.
There is another part of this I’ll just post separately.
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On Al Jazeera news on Friday, a report from New Delhi revealed that an antibody survey of 15000 people found 29% were positive, and so assumed to have been infected. For Delhi, with a pop of 20 million, this indicated that there could be 6 million people who had been infected and recovered - or barely noticed they were infected. In India the HCQ treatment is authorised and recommended by the main health body, and so likely taken by many except the poorest people, or if they have symptoms.
The antibody trials have been done all over the country, totalling about 300,000 tests, and found similar or greater levels of immunity, particularly in slum areas, leading scientists to question whether herd immunity may be close and note that a vaccine may not be necessary. I could imagine Vaccine manufacturers tearing their hair out at the prospect of losing the 1.4 billion Indian market to natural immunity!
These are the links:
I should have added that on SBS news the report was repeated, but the reporter described the discovery that 6 million people could have been infected as “shocking” ! Were they dying in the streets? In fact no-one had noticed, either that they werent, nor would have if they were, as no-one ever asks how the poor are actually coping with catching the disease.
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Exactly my thoughts too. I’ll have a read through your other points and have a think.
Cheers
But dan’s account of what happened, and is still happening to him months later, mostly neurological problems, all tallies with what’s being described here. Do we think dan is a shill-plant? I doubt that.
I quite agree, David, that this complication will be cried up to buggery by the state-bigbiz-media axis (fascism, as Mussolini described it), to keep the Terror Derangement Syndrome going for their criminal realpolitikal purposes. But I think that we may have to include in the true picture which we need to see emerge honestly, the idea that sometimes this sort of dreadful complication does indeed happen. Just as the 1918 flu was also atypical in that it killed a lot of fit young people.
What seems to be emerging as the true overall picture is that there has indeed been an attack of a real pathogen, whether spontaneous or engineered and released deliberately (or perhaps released by accident), and that attack has then been instrumentalised by various independent famiglie of band-waggon-jumping gics, keenly using the crisis to pursue their usual nefarious WealthPowerStatus-grabbing addiction. But - judging by the heavily-partial coordination - or lack thereof - amongst these famiglie, it isn’t a real global conspiracy. More like a nod-and-wink free-for-all of a whole lot of competing crook-bands, each conspiring independently to make hay from a possibly planned, possibly unplanned crisis; and therefore to keep it going as long as possible, until we plebs finally wake up in unmanageable numbers to see that we’re being conned. What you might call a cross-bred Cockupspiracy theory…
Hi there D,
you do raise an interesting question regarding the numbers game, especially somewhere like India. However, having looked into this for a few weeks now, I have seen multiple published papers showing that a significant proportion of those who recover from covid (perhaps as many as half in some cases, in other cases up to 80%) can end up having long term problems such as scarring on the heart and lungs as well as a huge range of other conditions from aches and pains, to fatigue and even neurological disorders.
Scarily, there isn’t always a strong correlation between the severity of the illness and the long term effects. These effects can occur in people who were classified as “mild” cases. I remember a study that showed something like 40-50% of people who had recovered from a mild case of covid had heart disease and scarring on the heart. I also seem to remember that this wasn’t obvious until they were scanned with an ECG.
That was just one study, but I have seen several others that have similar results. I don’t have all the references to hand, but I’ll dig out a bunch and post over the next few days if I get some time. Of course these were all patients who had been identified with Covid. Perhaps for others who were so mild that they never even knew that they had it, or those who possess some natural immunity (the so-called “dark matter” that Prof Friston has speculated about) this is not a problem.
However - these are early days. These studies are only being carried out now. We just don’t know what the long term effects of having this disease really are…
Cheers
By Matt Reynolds, Fri 11 Sep 2020.
This is obviously something bad, that can’t be ignored. Seems we’re still at the early mystification stage of trying to work out what the hell’s happening here. The emerging picture of this illness could well be more serious and frightening than we - the sceptics - originally thought. Once again, a wait-and-see situation.
@Dimac beat me to it in questioning what comes from The Atlantic. But lets analyse this.
“Lauren Nichols has been sick with COVID-19 … She has lived through one month of hand tremors, three of fever, and four of night sweats. When we spoke on day 150, she was on her fifth month of gastrointestinal problems and severe morning nausea. She still has extreme fatigue, bulging veins, excessive bruising, an erratic heartbeat, short-term memory loss, gynecological problems, sensitivity to light and sounds, and brain fog. Even writing an email can be hard, she told me, “because the words I think I’m writing are not the words coming out.” She wakes up gasping for air twice a month. It still hurts to inhale.”
My first problem with this is very simple. Now I’m not a doctor nor do I have any medical expertise. Corona virus is described as flu like symptons, and respiratory difficulties. Her symptons do not seem to me to bear much relation to Corona virus.
My second problem with the Atlantic article is this. It quotes “tens of thousands …”. Where does this figure come from, and where is there shown to be any correlation between these tens of thousands (assuming they are real) and Corona virus? Actually, it goes on to say “They look very different from the typical portrait of a COVID-19 patient” So perhaps they aren’t but the association with long-term medical complications and Corona is being established in the mind of the reader.
The whole article is exactly what @Dimac said. “I see the source and draw a rapid conclusion that it’s what I call a 1%er. That is that the focus is here on the exception that proves the rule.” And I would add that 1% may even be very misleading and have nothing at all to do with Corona virus.
I would also like to deal with some of the other issues raised in this thread, but sadly don’t have the time at the moment.