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Media Lens 'climate change', vs Daily Skeptic, somewhat of a poll of 5F posters

Right! Don’t pretend the problem’s not real, because - in whatever inherently-unpredictable way it pans out - it is, it’s happening right now, and it’s going to have its way with humankind - along the lines of the Long Descent, mandated by The Limits To Growth.

Simply prepare, by becoming less like the degenerate, flabby, weakling, ease-and-safety-obssessed boobies of the Anglozionist empire, and more like the strong-spined people of Russia, or of Afghanistan, with its powerful creed of Pushtunwali. (Nota bene, all who are tempted to follow the criminally-delusional ‘thinking’ of the neoconlib theoreticians of the Az empire.)

Prepare by embracing voluntary ‘simplicity’ (more accurately voluntary poverty); become professionally adept at some genuinely-useful craft, trade, skill, some perennially-needed basic good or service for your community; and make sure that you are actually in a survivable community, as an accepted member…

After that, shrug, say: “Kismet! Che sera sera!” and quit worrying… :slight_smile:

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PP, am I going to be post 101!

Look, the whole green agenda is pushed by a bunch of nutters and psychos (call them fascists if you want) who don’t give a shite about the environment. All they care about is $$$. They also don’t give a shite about the likes of me and you; in fact, they’d be quite happy to kill as many of us as possible (which is what’s happening at the moment).

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I’ve just discovered, because of an interview he did with Children’s Health Defense and then Dr. Mercola, a fellow named Patrick Wood who wrote a detailed book about the history of technocracy.

He’s connected with this website ‘Technocracy News’.

As we are primarily a media crit site, I’d like to note, again, that so many of those on the ‘left’ who promote themselves as media critics ignore, blatantly, the fact that the media punishes, in various ways, those who question the climate change narrative.

I searched for articles about climate change, here are a few links.

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Here (below) is Patrick Wood in conversation with JoeM.

One thing that’s become clear recently is that - whatever the (inherently unknowable in detail) objective truth about climate shift - it’s been picked up by the technocrat manipulators as a political issue with which to beat us plebs round the head; to push us towards obedience to authoritarianism.

The same has happened to our current - objectively real - population overshoot; it too is now a political issue, where anyone who sees and says its obvious reality must be an evil-eugenicist malthusian human-hater. :roll_eyes: Whereas the sacred, unchallengeable truth is billions more of us still to add on, with a bright cornucopian future for all (who obey), with abundant GreenRev food, and toys galore, whilst wild nature is confined to a few wise-human-managed safari parks; because startrekkytechietechie… The Hariri nightmare:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/06/12/technocracy.aspx?ui=2f3bfcf549847ca1e7b0af382d075125c77b1c1b6cc40e7b3842aab1bdb1c7e5&sd=20201030&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20220612&mid=DM1184094&rid=1517398614

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Apparently a new UN climate change report is coming out soon. This story references an associated press story that I’ve not been able to find, so buyer beware!

“But scientists are under pressure to explain why the warming has not exceeded 1998 levels although the decade 2000-2010 was the hottest on record.”

They should be under pressure to explain why they would start with the hottest year on record as a base, when the following decade was the hottest decade on record.

I’m surprised to see scientists fussing over a single point - I’d have thought a taking a running average of say, three or five points to (smooth over any blips) would be normal and be mathematically robust.

Sounds like there are too many politicians or string-pullers in the room.

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Indeed. But perhaps remember that this is the UN’s IPCC, which has made all those previous wrog predictions including the one I referenced earlier about many parts of East Anglian coastline being under water by 2020.

Hi @PatB I’ve tried to find this IPCC prediction with no luck so far. Do you have a reference to where the IPCC says this?

I’ve googled around looking but can’t find anything

Cheers

Hi PontiusPrimate, here’s an image from my twitter feed, is this ‘framing’ easily dismissed? Please don’t expend energy on this, but maybe you know already how to debunk this rather quickly?

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Hi @PontiusPrimate . My only reference is my memory. I’ve looked around the web (not extensively I will add), but it seems to me anything to do with ‘global warming’ and/or IPCC predictions before 2000 have disappeared down the memory hole. I’m not really surprised, that’s the Internet these days.

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Hi @Everyman

I haven’t checked the numbers in the graphic that your posted but it would be worth doing so.

As for the larger picture, water vapour is hugely important in keeping the earth’s temperature balance. It’s what stops the earth reaching temperatures found on the moon. It is the primary reason that earth is inhabitable and is primarily governed by the evaporation from the oceans.

However, in addition to that background, CO2 is also extremely important in trapping heat. The two effects work together (for example, more CO2 → higher temps → more evaporation from the oceans → more water vapour). Both these factors matter, and operate in different ways, in different parts of the atmosphere. The difference is that if we pump more water into the atmosphere it will mean more hurricanes and rain storms - it just rains back onto the earth. If we pump more CO2 into atmosphere it stays there for many decades or even centuries contributing to the long term picture.

Right now we have massively accelerated one of the factors and it is causing our climate to warm to higher and higher temperatures. Our actions on the planet are upsetting the balance and the result is all around us.

Cheers

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Thanks for looking, Pat. You’re memory is better than mine, but then my memory is rubbish so :person_shrugging:t5:

The IPCC reports will still be available. I’ll continue to look as it surprises me that they would have made such a bold claim. It’s not how they work at all in my experience.

If I find it I’ll let you know. Is it possible that you are ascribing a statement from a different group to the IPCC?

Cheers

Quite possibly as my memory is also ****

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Interesting screen shot from Max Egan

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Now Pat! You mustn’t make fun of a whole 3mms rise! Or is that 10mms? Does anyone REALLY know?

OTOH the sea level did rise drastically at the most recent easing of the current Ice Age, about ten millennia back. That’s why The Isles are isles now…

As one of The Goon characters used to say: “It’s all rather confusing really!”

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We have a legend of The Flood, in Cymru too, you know: the story of Cantre’r Gwaelod: the Lowland Hundred; the plainland which now lies below the waters of Bae Ceredigion (aka Cardigan Bay).

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Here’s a Canadian scientist I follow on twitter, Denis Rancourt, who has been actively against the covid madness. His links on climate change, which I can neither praise nor denigrate because I’ve yet to read them, but I’m going to give them a look.

https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php?id=102&name=3000_denis_rancourt_on_climate_science_and_on_climate_politics_a_list_of_links_to_my_articles_and_videos

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Only read a bit and watch a potion of video on Denis Rancourt’s site and IMHO the guy is very smart, explains stuff in simple terms (suits me!), and certainly is not panicked by or supportive of the lamestream narrative on ‘global warming’. Thanks for the link.

Then he’s certainly wrong. Plus there’s no need for scare quotes around something that you can measure. We don’t say

it’s “23 degrees” today

Or maybe you do… You don’t need to anyway

Cheers

“Certainly wrong” is a bridge too far in this matter. With something so complex as the constantly-shifting climate, together with the obviously perturbatory influence of the current overshoot of both human numbers and human demands on the ecosphere, certainty is simply out of reach. We really don’t know for sure how this is going to go; nor do we know whether we’ve got all the data-collection, and all the logically-impeccable theorising from the data, correct.

‘May be’, or ‘probably’, rather than ‘certainly’, is likely to be the more accurate assertion. You can lay good bets on the guess that things are going to get seriously shaken up in the near future, are in fact accelerating down that track right now, whilst we watch. But I think that that’s as far as odds-on certs. goes. :innocent: :laughing: